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Fortune’s Seth Weintraub calls Steve Jobs a liar, predicts Android tablets will sell

Daniel Eran Dilger

Not everyone respects Apple’s chief executive Steve Jobs. Just ask Seth Weintraub, who blogs about Google for Fortune, often by blogging his seething contempt for Apple and everything how it builds and sells its products. Following the company’s iPad 2 event, Weintraub accused Jobs of lying about components, lying about tablet market competitors, lying about market share, and lying about pricing.
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Weintraub has a limited grasp of the tech industry, having worked as an IT manager for 15 years before becoming a full time pundit. In 2008, he teased out the “rebriculous” idea that Apple would be cutting MacBooks from metal using lasers, apparently unaware of how milling machines (and the laws of physics) work.

Last year, he tried to foment outrage that Apple was holding AT&T back from adopting Android as part of a conspiracy to keep the masses from buying Android phones. A year later, Verizon is now selling the iPhone, having decided that Android isn’t exactly as cool as Weintraub thinks, at least for the purposes of attracting subscribers.

Weintraub was also a leading proponent of Death Grip hysteria, and he called Jobs’ predictions last fall about the coming failure of 7 inch tablets “the most laughable comment” back in October before the market for those devices actually plummeted, leaving Samsung with unsold inventory and vast numbers of returns from unsatisfied customers.

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Twisted facts to convince crowds

Addressing Jobs’ surprise appearance at the iPad 2 event, Weintraub claims Apple “twisted facts and used an erroneous quotation to try to convince crowds that all other tablets had no shot at de-throning the iPad in 2011.”

His first accusation was that Jobs’ comment that the A5-powered iPad 2 will be “the first dual core tablet to ship in volume” was a lie, because Weintraub had “tested a Dell Streak 7 which had a dual core Nvidia Tegra 2 chip in January. They’ve been shipping ever since on T-Mobile. In volume.”

Really? Volume suggests substantial numbers. Surely if Dell were selling any meaningful amount of Streaks, it would be crowing about it to regain some relevance in the post-PC era, at a time when Gartner is bending over backward to call the iPad a tablet just to create the suggestion that there are other tablets being sold . But Dell isn’t crowing about volume sales of the Streak because it isn’t happening. How do we know? Because T-Mobile isn’t selling anything. It’s losing subscribers faster than Motorola on Verizon.

Weintraub also claims the new Motorola Xoom “is certainly shipping in volume as well,” before changing the subject to the Atrix and LG Optimix 2X smartphones, both of which do use dual core chips, but which, notably, aren’t tablets. The fact that all these are on sale, Weintraub would have the crowds believe, is proof that the iPad 2 won’t be the first dual core tablet to ship in volume.

Of course Jobs probably had in mind the real world when he spoke, rather than the vaporous marketing nonsense Android licensees waft up Weintraubs’ nether regions. As someone who hasn’t ever designed, built, shipped, marketed or sold a consumer electronics product, Weintraub seems to possess a rather weak grasp of what words like “ship” and “volume” mean, particularly in the context of Apple’s blockbuster sales.

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Thoroughly debunked

This basic ignorance is reflected in Weintraub’s next attack on Jobs, which involved Apple’s quote of a Samsung executive admitting that the company’s sell-in (inventory stacking) and sell-out (sales to consumers) of the Galaxy Tab were not really in the same universe.

After first being quoted as describing its sell-out to analysts as “quite small,” Samsung scrambled to maintain that no, it really meant its sales were “quite smooth,” although it wouldn’t say what percentage of the 2 million units it dumped in the channel were actually bought by customers.

Whether the word was small or smooth doesn’t matter, because the obvious point Jobs was making was that Samsung isn’t successfully selling the Galaxy Tab. Instead, just as Jobs predicted last fall (even as Weintraub mocked him for doing so), Samsung and Dell are now scrambling to bring full sized tablets to market, leaving their early adopter 7 inch tweener tablet customers abandoned with no upgrade roadmap. Jobs was right, and Weintraub’s arrogant laughter turned around to make him look as ignorant, foolish and out of touch with what people want as the executives from companies with failing PC-era tablets that Weintraub flatters with incessant praise.

That makes one wonder, does Weintraub even understand that he is carefully documenting his own ignorance and faulty vision even as he tries to portray Jobs as a fraudulent trickster rather than the tech world’s brightest luminary of whom the entire industry is intently listening to as they frantically try to ape his every move?

Or is Weintraub just a method actor rehearsing the role of playing John Dvorak or Paul Thurrot in a made for TV movie about self-important PC era pundits?

OMG Math

Weintraub next attacked Jobs bullet point of “>90% market share” among tablets in 2010, claiming that the 2 million Galaxy Tabs Samsung dumped into the global channel should lower Apple’s share substantially. Of course, outside of Gartner and other flack-fact groups, “market share” refers to a share of the market, not a share of retailer’s inventory.

At the end of 2010, both Apple and Samsung had a channel inventory of about two million tablets. The difference was that Apple had actually sold well above ten million iPads, while Samsung had only been “quite smooth” in pushing a few tweener tablets to early adopters before killing its future upgrade path after just a few months.

Weintraub also took issue with the fact that Apple had been selling iPads for three quarters, while Samsung hadn’t gotten its product to market till the winter quarter. Apparently in his mind, the numbers should be distorted and weighted to make things appear more ‘fair and balanced,’ despite the reality that IDC reported Apple’s market share among tablets at 87.4% in the third quarter, after selling more than 90% in the second.

After disputing Apple’s numbers, Weintraub wrote, “That’s not including all of the Android-powered Nooks out there, those cheap $100 Androids you can buy at Walgreens or Amazon and even Windows-powered Tablet PCs. If you choose to include the Kindle, Apple may not have even reached 50% of the market.”

Actually we know, again by citing real figures from iDC, that even when adding up all the ebook readers (which are clearly not tablet computers) including those garbage Pantech toys that can’t do anything apart from claiming to run Android, that Apple still had 58.7% of the global market for anything even resembling a tablet.

However, if the point of market share is really to determine relevant sales that provide an accurate picture of what’s being sold and by whom, then this toy/ebook/tweener/tablet market should also include the iPod touch, which is far more powerful than most tweener tablets and far more sophisticated than the Pantech instant ewaste Weintraub is so excited to count. Those numbers give Apple a 79.6% share of the tablet-like market.

Where I went to school, 79.6% is a lot closer to Jobs’ >90% than to Weintraub’s <50%. The point is not to stage a fanciful pissing contest, but rather to establish that Apple currently owns the tablet market. This isn’t controversial. It’s not a trick that requires fudging market boundaries or making up numbers or counting unsold inventory. It’s a fact.

Everyone else is dropping their pre-iPad plans to try to copy the iPad to get some sliver of Apple’s sales. But Apple clearly has a >90% lock on the valuable end of the tablet market. Counting a bunch of inventory fad-trash dumped into the market (but not actually selling, generating profits, building a platform or supporting development) to generate a false picture of “market share” is the dishonest, twisting distortion that Weintraub hypocritically rails about.

Why does Weintraub hate the truth? And why does he resort to Sarah Palin-esque AOL chat language in trying to present his attack on the president of Silicon Valley? Perhaps when Wientraub complains about Apple “twisting facts to convince crowds,” he’s just projecting his own desperate efforts to represent reality with the fidelity of a funhouse mirror.

Apple’s iPad owned 87.4% of Q3 2010 “media tablet” market

The price is right

Weintraub was also troubled that Jobs alluded to the Xoom as costing more than 7 out of 8 of all the new iPad 2 models, pointing out that the Xoom has “a much better, bigger” screen (it actually has a wider aspect ratio with a slight resolution bump few users will notice, but lacks the iPS quality of the iPad and it picks up fingerprints faster), “far superior cameras” (because tablets are primarily used to take photos, apparently), 4G, a card reader and more RAM.

This is why users will happily pay a $80 premium over the iPad 2 for Motorola’s first generation Xoom Honeycomb tablet despite its paucity of apps, beta-quality Google operating system software (including non-functional Adobe Flash), and more weight (a third of a pound more) and thickness (its 50% thicker). Never mind that Apple also offers a $399 iPad and that the iPad 2 starts at $499. Everyone I know would rather pay $300 more for all that Droid-like masculine heft and bragging rights to RAM.

Taking a break from the nonsense land of Weintraub’s affection for Android, it’s interesting to note that flash storage was once the primary selling point for new iPods. With iOS 4.3′s Home Sharing, Apple is making it easier to get by with less flash storage, making cheaper iPads more attractive. Motorola can’t do that, because it doesn’t have a lower end tablet model to sell. And if it did try to offer a 16GB model, it would have to take a big hit against margins. The reason why Motorola is starting out at $800 is because it lacks the market volume to sell anything cheaper.

Who wants to bet Apple is making more money on the iPad 2 than Motorola is on each Xoom it sells, given Apple’s vast economies of scale in having already sold more than 15 million iPads and 150 million smartphones? Motorola had one good year of smartphone sales with Verizon’s Droid campaign, a brief flirtation with profitability that its unlikely to sustain in the era of the Verizon iPhone and the overpriced Xoom (not to mention that $500 docking Folio tied to the Atrix).

But wait, Weintraub claimed, “Perhaps Jobs could have also compared the iPad 2 to other Android tablets’ prices? Samsung’s Galaxy Tab and Dell’s Streak both now start at $499 and have better cameras, 3G radios and GPS, which seem to compete well with Apple’s $499 Wifi-only offering. Reality distorted.”

They ‘seem to compete’? In what Universe? Weintraub is again banging the drum of 7 inch tweeners as if his song and dance hasn’t already been gonged off the stage months ago. Who, apart from pundit ninnies, is digging the tablet toys from Dell and Samsung? They have no real software and are about as useful as those Pantech LCD picture frames they sell at Walgreens and Bed Bath and Beyond. Were they actually selling, Apple would be the one in a tailspin, rushing a 7 inch iPad to market accompanied by blustering marketing, instead of things being the other way around.

“I have a lot of respect for Steve Jobs and Apple’s products,” Weintraub wafts up his readers’ nether regions. “It’s just a shame that all the truth-bending destroys the keynotes.” He also repeated another mention of “Kool-Aid,” a Godwin-like allusion to a cult-indoctrinated murder-suicide that killed 918 people manipulated by Jim Jones in 1978.

Somehow I have a hard time understanding how you can respect a person while comparing him to a mass murder and repeatedly suggesting he is using deceptive marketing to fool the market into loving his products. Is there something in iPad 2 that will kill us all? Or is Weintraub just using egregiously emotionalized language to foment hate and fear about certain technology products in an ideological battle to give away an American invention to an adware monoculture supporting incompetent companies that can’t compete?

77 comments

1 stormj { 03.04.11 at 1:32 pm }

Steve Jobs should just laugh at these jackasses and say, “I’m i-WINNING!”

2 Davidlow { 03.04.11 at 1:53 pm }

If a supplier “stuffs the channel” doesn’t that count as shipping, even if the phrase is misleading?

[Well I think the question isn't about shipping, it's about market share. Market share isn't a representation of poor inventory management, or Apple would have had better market share back in the mid 90s- Dan}

3 uthne { 03.04.11 at 1:58 pm }

Seems Samsung is running back to the drawingboard after the launch of iPad 2. They obviously was expecting the second iPad would be THICKER than the first, much like their own Galaxy 10.1 brick.

Seem Steve was right when he said; “If you do not believe the price is low, just ask our competitors”.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/techscience/2011/03/04/9/0601000000AEN20110304009300320F.HTML

4 diskgrinder { 03.04.11 at 1:59 pm }

Clearly the etch-a-sketch was the first tablet computer, and set the bar high for the tab and the streak. Microsoft, on the other hand, ignored the valuable user interaction model evinced by the groundbreaking etch and decided that a pen and windows XP on a paving slab would be the defining paradigm for just about mobile computing.

Fischer price meanwhile were working on their UMPC-killer vtech range. Plasticky, thick, with low resolution graphics and little ram, these magical and revolutionary devices are the true DNA of the Xoom and Playbook. RIM and Motorola built on the success of the vetch rannge to deliver the same proven form factor, but with higher resolution graphics.
Now the field is wide open, with the etch based streak and tab, and the Fischer price antecedents of the Xoom and Playbook, apple will have a real challenge in the Market place not laughing its ass off.

5 jpinto { 03.04.11 at 2:17 pm }

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is not there a guy on 9to5mac.com with the same Seth Weintraub name? Well, I figure it’s probably a coincidence. Or then, if it’s no coincidence, maybe he is just writing with both hands, just in case he loses one of his arms.
Anyway, the Macalope is going to have a great week.

6 luisd { 03.04.11 at 2:47 pm }

By calling it the post-PC era, Jobs just killed the PC. Not a single pundit has challenged that idea, despite the fact that there are more PC’s sold than tablets, probably by at least one order of magnitude. With one single sentence, he changed the frame mind of the whole tech-realted press, and once again he is using them to Apple’s advantage. Even idiots like Weintraub are spreading his post-PC era message. Ballmer will not recover from this PR blow easily. Who wants to be a PC now?

7 beanie { 03.04.11 at 2:51 pm }

Daniel Eran wrote:
“Apple was holding AT&T back from adopting Android”…
“Verizon is now selling the iPhone”

You left out AT&T plans to have the top Android phone line-up, now that iPhone is not exclusive to them. If Android does not attract subscribers then why is AT&T adopting Android? Browsing stats still show Android growing faster than iPhone in the United States in the last two months. So I guess Verizon iPhone4 did not squash Android.

[AT&T also jumped to support WP7, because they're desperately trying everything. How'd that work out? The difference is that Verizon primarily backed Android until it could get the iPhone. AT&T primarily backed iPhone until it couldn't keep it exclusive. Do you understand now? - Dan ]

Daniel wrote:
“Jobs’ predictions last fall about the coming failure of 7 inch tablets”

Nothing wrong with 7″ size. Smaller 7″ Kindle sells better than the larger 10″ Kindle. Anyway, if Apple sold a 7″ iPad, it would probably be a hit, as everything they release is a hit. Oops, except that server thing they came out with, which Daniel wrote a book on.

[I didn't say it was "wrong" I pointed out it is a failure in the market. The Kindle is not a tablet, it is a single-purpose ebook reader. The 10" Kindle is a stupidly large, expensive ebook reader, while the 7" screen (the device is much larger) is closer to a paperback.

A 7" iPad would not only be cramped, but it would compete with the full sized iPad for attention and price. It'd be stupid for Apple to debut a new product category by throwing out multiple sizes to see what sticks. Note that's what Dell and Acer and everyone else tried, and failed.

I recognize your attempt at a personal attack, but the Server book I wrote did well, particularly considering that it is a 900 page paper book in the 2010s describing a niche product. What have you done, besides trolling my blog under a fictitious name? - Dan ]

8 addicted44 { 03.04.11 at 3:08 pm }

@Dan, thanks for calling out Weintraub’s blather. That being said, I think you are being too harsh on him for the Kool-Aid comment. While the phrase “Drinking the Kool Aid” did originate in the event you mention, it is commonly used in the states, divorced from those origins.

@beanie – Daniel never said Android does not attract customers. He said it does not attract customers to the degree Seth Weintraub was “foaming at his mouth” last year.
WTF does Kindle have to do with 7″ tablets? Are you now suggesting that hte Kindle is a tablet? How does blockbuster sale of 7″ ebook readers translate into blockbuster sales of 7″ tablets? Next thing you will be suggesting is that Apple should build a 42″ tablet, because, you know, 42″ HDTV’s sell pretty damn well…

9 nextguy { 03.04.11 at 3:47 pm }

“Really? Volume suggests substantial numbers. Surely if Dell were selling any meaningful amount of Streaks, it would be crowing about it to regain some relevance in the post-PC era, at a time when Gartner is bending over backward to call the iPad a tablet just to create the suggestion that there are other tablets being sold . But Dell isn’t crowing about volume sales of the Streak because it isn’t happening. How do we know? Because T-Mobile isn’t selling anything. It’s losing subscribers faster than Motorola on Verizon.”

Of course if the iphone4 for verizon was selling in volume, they would release those numbers too, eh?

[Verizon said it was their fastest selling smartphone ever. Dell hasn't said a word about the Streak. But it's also pretty obvious that Verizon is selling the iPhone 4, and pretty obvious that Dell isn't finding success in 5 and 7 inch tablets. - Dan]

Look, dual core based tablets are shipping and available now from retailers, and the ipad2 is available in a few weeks. If you want one, they are there and shipping, not in limited quantities. Simple as that. Saying that “volume” means selling hundreds of thousands to validate a claim is pure nonsense.

[No, actually 'selling in volume' does not mean 'potentially available in quantity but not selling.' - Dan]

“Whether the word was small or smooth doesn’t matter, because the obvious point Jobs was making was that Samsung isn’t successfully selling the Galaxy Tab. ”

If he posted the real quote, it wouldn’t be as black and white or polarizing as he wants it to be. Regardless of the point he is making, the point stands: he misquoted someone and has no reason to claim ignorance to that fact.

[It wasn't a quote taken out of context to fool the audience into thinking Samsung said something it didn't. It was a desperate spin of nonsense Samsung used to cover its own lie when asked by analysts what portion of the 2 million devices it publicized had actually sold. Samsung made a big deal about the Tab turning around the tablet market for Android, but that was simply not true. Jobs was pointing out that they were caught in a lie. There's only one way to view a lie, so it's not a matter of polarizing. Samsung flat out lied. Jobs' calling them on it was not a lie, because Samsung actually did lie: they purposely deceived the market to suggest the Tab was doing well when it clearly wasn't, isn't, and even future models admittedly are not working out in facts. ]

” beta-quality Google operating system software ”

Anandtech described the ipad upon launch as unpolished as well:

“Crashing is also not uncommon on the device. It’s mostly a problem with newer 3rd party iPad apps but I’ve seen it with Apple’s own apps as well. It’s not crippling but the iPad has crashed more on me than my iPhone ever has. This sounds like it’s a software issue and again contributes to the rushed theory.”

[You're quoting something from April of 2010, a year old. So are you under the impression that a) iOS and 3rd party apps haven't improved over a year of 60,000 new apps and multiple OS releases b) that Android 2.x is anywhere near the stability of iOS, c) that Android 3.0, now being rushed to market to ship tablets (with a beta copy of Flash) is also going to be better than Android 2.x? And on what planet are facts challenged by random tangents? ]

Next, from the other guy’s article:

“You see, Apple loves to talk about specs when it is in its best interest (speeds and feeds). There are plenty of specs on size and weight that were repeated over and over:”8.8mm thin”, “1.3 lbs”. Tech Specs? Lots: “Retina display has 326PPI”, “1GHz Dual Core Processor”, “64GB of storage”, “Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating”, “Back camera: Video recording, HD (720p) up to 30 frames per second with audio; still camera with 5x digital zoom”, etc. etc. But ask them how much RAM the iPad has and they’ll tell you it doesn’t matter.”

Sorry, but he has a point here. The lack of RAM in the ipad has brought up complaints of heavy browsing, and while it should be better with 512MB, why can’t they just say it has 512MB? I mean, lousy computers from 5 years ago made due with that on a crappy OS called XP; surely iOS can manage 512 with such a light weight OS much better.

[How much something weights, how big it is, what it looks like, and how it reacts to fingerprints are qualitative specs. How much RAM a post PC device has is not. What Weintraub is desperately trying to do is revert comparisons from how good/useful a product is to how many meaningless numbers can be used to set up false comparisons. I see he has hoodwinked you with the ploy. ]

Overall I find reading his article much more balanced and reasonable than yours, but he is still wrong on a few points. The ipad still is winning and will continue to dominate, but the Xoom isn’t the only one being released, and Moto/Verizon apparently are marketing the device to make sure people know it actually exists.

But I feel if you just addressed the real issues with the article, this post would be only 3 paragraphs long and not the usual smack down you like posting.

[I find your comment lacking balance and reasonableness, and your salient points could probably have been expressed in three words. - Dan]

10 JacktheMac { 03.04.11 at 4:00 pm }

“Weintraub has a limited grasp of the tech industry, having worked as an IT manager for 15 years”

Dan you are very naughty, and very, very funny.

Keep it coming !

11 uthne { 03.04.11 at 4:15 pm }

You can almost gauge how spot on a piece of writing are by the level of trolling by the pundits. I live in Scandinavia so I’m used to trolls roaming the woods around here. What I’m not used to, is seeing a Samsung Tab. Sure I’ve seen the boxes on the shelves in PC-outlets, but actually in the hands of someone…
The iPad was introduced over here in August last year, only weeks before the Galaxy. If I take a good look around – anywhere, on a bus, a train, in coffeeshops, library – anywhere, there are people happily dabbling away on their iPads.

As for the “competitor”, I have only ever seen –one. I have seen ONE Galaxy Tab out in the wild! – I suspect the sellout was “quite small” and not “quite smooth”.

Just before Xmas my employer bought 1200 iPads and we are about to order another 1000. As we are in the publishing business, with 40 small local newspapers and a major publisher of all kinds of printed direct mail, we are gearing up to deliver for the iOS. Yes, the iOS – publishing for the fragmented Android, webOS, Blackberry or any other vaporOS is simply not a topic.

12 John E { 03.04.11 at 4:23 pm }

Weintraub piece was trash indeed. not sure why it needed such a long rebuttal. i guess there is some history background. anyway, he just a hit whore, pure and simple.

but wait! look what happened to another one of Dan’s favorite targets! he got knocked off his horse by a bolt of lightning yesterday and saw God! “Can anyone challenge the iPad 2?”:

http://www.nbc26.com/Global/story.asp?S=14186938

wow. what can we say about that?

13 gavrojames { 03.04.11 at 4:44 pm }

Daniel, you must eventually tie in how Samsung supplies a bunch of the parts for Apple’s iDevices and how the growing revenue streams from those business is partly responsible for allowing them to even cobble together a Tab. But again, no tight hardware/software integration……why does NO ONE understand this business model. As much as these folks copy Apple products, you’d think one of these power players would just copy the business model…..they must all be to proud to do that (while copying products allows them to keep their pride?).

BTW, Samsung has the same problem US companies had in their early endeavors in Asian countries by not being culturally cognizant, ie someone should tell Samsung that “Tab” in US means a failed cola beverage from the 80s that signifies “cheap-ass knockoff”. Putting Galaxy in front of it just means “cheap-ass knockoff from South Korea”…….did someone say “japanese” sushi? Oh, nevermind.

[Well actually Tab came out in the early 60s, sweetened with cyclamate until it was banned, then saccharin (the sweetener named after saccharum, the Latin word for sweet, but so nasty it changed the word's meaning to being not sweet at all). It wasn't until Diet Coke in the 80s (sweetened with aspartame) that Tab began to fall in popularity. Now we have Coke Zero, sweetened with surculose, which makes it hard to drink Diet Coke anymore. Things have a way of changing. I need to drink more water. - Dan ]

14 JohnWatkins { 03.04.11 at 4:53 pm }

“Oops, except that server thing they came out with, which Daniel wrote a book on.”
Actually his excellent book is on Apple’s server software, which is doing fine, not Apple’s XServe hardware, which was pretty niche and specialized for Apple anyway.
Relevance?

15 relativity { 03.04.11 at 5:03 pm }

“However, if the point of market share is really to determine relevant sales that provide an accurate picture of what’s being sold and by whom, then this toy/ebook/tweener/tablet market should also include the iPod touch, which … give Apple a 79.6% share of the tablet-like market.”

Well, Weintraub’s point is that Jobs’ claim is utterly and completely false – he is correct. Counting all the other tablet-like devices sold (including your inclusion of the iTouch) gives Apple a >50% of that market – he is wrong obviously.

["Obviously wrong" to somebody who compares one metric of the easily gerrymandered tablet market. Jobs could have been talking about revenue. It's not really likely that he would invent a "maybe" number that doesn't reflect reality to make a false impression, as Weintraub clearly did. So you can argue yourself in a circle about things, but there's no room for questioning that Apple owns +90% of the market by a number a metrics, and as "little" as 87% by some like IDC. But what's your point, that Jobs lied? If so, I'd like to see your proof laid out. Weintraub didn't, and you didn't. I presented a number of ways of looking at the "market," but you don't know the definition Jobs' number was based on. I have an easier time believing that Jobs knows things that anonymous commenters don't. ]

The main problem is, and it is genuine i think, that this was a product launch event of a global scale and here was Steve falsely claiming astronomical market share numbers and ridiculing a Samsung executive for a widely-corrected mispronounciation of “smooth” as icing of his keynote. Try talking in Korean for once-and back- and see what I mean Daniel.

[You are wrong. Samsung has no market presence, and neither does anyone else in the "tablet" market.

And If you're trying to tell me that Samsung's blundering, nonsensical hemming and hawing when analysts asked how many of the 2 million Tabs it CLEARLY advertised as being sold were ACTUALLY sold was fine, but Jobs calling them out on it was some sort of evil lie, than I will begin to form an unflattering opinion about your ability to process facts. ]

I do not defend Mr. Weintraub’s dismissal of SJ’s “facts” but your defending Steve’s is very troubling to your credibility as a go-to blogger technologist. Well, I will still read your articles, just as I have been, as a sort of a comical tickle-of-the brain matter. I can always click on Anandtech for 100% un-biased tech analysis.

[Yes, Steve Jobs is such a controversial source of information. I'm sure my credibility is going down the tubes. ]

Since you brought it up, what makes you better qualified to analyze the Apple tech universe than Weintraub, besides having written a Server book or two? Even the widely respected John Gruber would not make such a narcissistic claim. He just does it naturally.

[Well for starters, I don't prattle on about my opinions about how things in the tech market ought to be. I stick to state facts and point out when pundits stray from them. Both Weintraub and Gruber are pundits. They talk about where they think things should go. Gruber is more knowledgeable and connected, so he's right far more often. Weintraub, in addition to being mistaken most of the time, is also rather blindly fanatical about a loser technology and doesn't ever provide any basis, beyond ideological nonsense, for his position.

And since you brought it up, what makes you a valid critic of bloggers? Who are you, and what have you ever written? Do you walk into people's homes as a guest and start talking about what you don't like about them? Kind of sounds like it. - Dan]

16 Every { 03.04.11 at 6:28 pm }

Long time reader, first time commenter.
Thank you so much for writing this. When I was reading Seth Weintraub blog, I stopped reading after I read the line, “Xoom has a much better, bigger screen.” I was just wondering how come no one call this out. Again, thank you.

17 daryl4d { 03.04.11 at 8:15 pm }

In Dan’s last article I wrote a comment entitled ” I want an iPad2″… now this may be alittle off topic here but since there are many knowledgeable tech people who read these comments, I wanted to pose a question here.

The iPad2 fits most of my criteria for a business tablet, I will definitely be getting one, but if it did one more thing, I would be sure to purchase many more. There are iPad apps that will allow me and my people to use the tablet in the field and obtain signatures on sales documents…(DocumentsToGo, Zosh, DropBox, etc) but the gameplan is to also print out a customer copy using a portable bluetooth printer like the Brother PocketJet Printer or one of HP’s bluetooth printers. Both have Windows7 and Mac drivers but no iOS drivers.

The question is: How do I get this to work? Do I wait for a “bluetooth printer app” to appear in the App Store.((Their Help Center says currently nothing is available and they have no idea if or when it would be) Do I petition Apple and tell them this is important (for me) and that it will sell them more iPads? My company is not that large, I don’t have a tech department, I wouldn’t know how to write such an app myself or find someone who does. (Btw, the competition doesn’t appear to have a solution either… possibly the HP Touchpad would have the portable printer functionality but probably not the apps to make it all work)…
Any advice is appreciated… please, for the love of god, don’t make me get a Windows7 tablet…. Dan? anyone?

18 relativity { 03.04.11 at 8:43 pm }

“And since you brought it up, what makes you a valid critic of bloggers?”

I am not claiming that I am a great critic of bloggers. Far from it. I am but a liberal web community participant with a keen sense of reality (not distorted reality). I happen to have a creative thinking mind that I can use here and there to make a point.

It just so happened that you that were critiquing one bad Apple pundit (and many others in the past) with having no credential whatsoever. Do not pass the buck on me, Dan. I know your round-about tactics in these arguments. Before you question other’s you have to question yourself first.

As for my Internet blogging qualifications, I have been on the net since, oh-I-don’t-know 1991-maybe 1992, when HTTP 1.0 was finalized and WWW was still pooping in its diapers. FidoNet, UseNet, and IRC were the s#!t back then. That was lightyears (in Internet chronology) before blogs – including yours – so I am very qualified to critique any tech blog I wish to participate in.

“Do you walk into people’s homes as a guest and start talking about what you don’t like about them?”

Well most homeowners do not leave their front door open to strangers, do they? Duh! Au contraire, your “home” blog, happen to have the front door propped wide open with a metal doorstop anchored to the floor even, or it wouldn’t be a blog would it?

If you haven’t checked your blogging software and I am sure it is one of those “Web 2.0″ kind of content management systems (CMS) and you obviously leave your door open to intelligent and progressive feedbacks – arguments as it were – for a constructive debate.

If you do not like getting critiqued from readers like me then why not tell your whole readership that only the overly-sweet-fuschia-tinted beverage drinkers are allowed to comment for they too worship the altar of the Steve.

Dan, I do like your writing style, really. I have been a reader since your first version of your blog. I enjoy the tech history-themed articles, hate the “Kool-Aid” themed ones like this article, and never read the politically-themed ones against them “Glenn Beck” or “Rush Limbaugh” conservatives.

Just try to be more realistic and not believe every breath that the Steve serves on a platter. He is only human with ambitions. He is not infallible unlike most worshipers believe.

19 nextguy { 03.04.11 at 9:05 pm }

“[Verizon said it was their fastest selling smartphone ever. Dell hasn't said a word about the Streak. But it's also pretty obvious that Verizon is selling the iPhone 4, and pretty obvious that Dell isn't finding success in 5 and 7 inch tablets. - Dan]”
I simply think that releasing sales figures of every product period isn’t something that most do. We don’t have sales figures of each computer, phone or the like.

Doesn’t mean you are wrong, but it just means that what makes it a failure or not is whether it catches on to million sold status?

“[No, actually 'selling in volume' does not mean 'potentially available in quantity but not selling.' - Dan]”

You can be proud of the fact that it will sell “in volume”, but we both know that has nothing to do with the fact it has dual cores.

I mean, what next? The ipad is the first tablet with front and rear facing cameras that will sell in volume? So what.

” It was a desperate spin of nonsense ”

Does that mean we agree that he should have made his point with the corrected quote? At least with me, I don’t care if he made the point with actual facts like you did, but he doesn’t score points with me with that quote.

“[You're quoting something from April of 2010, a year old. So are you under the impression that a) iOS and 3rd party apps haven't improved over a year of 60,000 new apps and multiple OS releases b) that Android 2.x is anywhere near the stability of iOS, c) that Android 3.0, now being rushed to market to ship tablets (with a beta copy of Flash) is also going to be better than Android 2.x? And on what planet are facts challenged by random tangents? "

It's just to show that *both* devices are rushed due to competition. Anand himself stated it is not typical of apple to deliver something without the usual polish. I've read Anand's review of the Xoom, and while he feels like the 3.0 OS makes multitaksing better, it needs work on stability and the screen, while not terrible, could be better.

"How much RAM a post PC device has is not. "

When it makes the multitasking feature useless, it does. Why should the iphone4 have more RAM than their tablet which can make more use of the feature?

"[I find your comment lacking balance and reasonableness, and your salient points could probably have been expressed in three words. - Dan]”

Really? That’s a load of crap after what you just posted.

20 nextguy { 03.04.11 at 9:43 pm }

“Any advice is appreciated… please, for the love of god, don’t make me get a Windows7 tablet…. Dan? anyone?”

While earlier tablets did not appear to have this feature, the one I have to use for work uses a stylus that works just like a mouse. No re learning, no having to figure out how to right click.

Older dumb phones could even print via infared in plain text. Why can’t it be a system wide feature on newer phones is probably because via bt the feature also isn’t widely supported.

Maybe HP will just release a compatible printer soon via air print.

21 Derek Currie { 03.04.11 at 10:06 pm }

Google trolls are so silly. Weintraub is the epitome. The fact is that Android is no competition with iOS. It’s the cheap knock off OS for more expensive and less capable devices. Going all FUD maniacal about Steve Jobs, Apple and iOS devices only adds to the silly Google troll reputation.

22 KenC { 03.04.11 at 11:04 pm }

Defending Weintraub is a joke. He’s obviously being a reverse troll, as his points were so easily crushed and shown to be silly.

The whole “volume” thing was clear as Dan points out. And, Weintraub knows enough to know about filling the channel when a product launches, is a one-time bump.

And, then, the better and bigger screen was a joke! He even said “much bigger”. I ran the numbers, because I knew it would be close, very close between the two screens and guess what, they are 8/10ths of 1% of each other. The SGT is 45.5 sq inches, while the iPad is 45.1 sq inches.

Anyway, as I pointed out, Weintraub must be a reverse troll, deliberately faux-fawning over Android because his points were so easily destroyed.

23 FreeRange { 03.05.11 at 12:01 am }

@nextguy – DED does a great job at calling out moronic trolls and so called “pundits” and “anal-ysts”. And he does so here again. Why you want to fall into this category is a mystery other than you get off being a ridiculous troll with little understanding of basic business or technology concepts. BTW -your comment that you use a tablet at work with a stylus says a lot about you. You really shouldn’t have let that slip.

@relativity – you also apparently have little understanding of basic business concepts. Jobs was absolutely right about the market share info. It is absurd to think that other tablets had any significant market share. For good reason. They don’t exist, other than a couple of failed devices. BTW, it is great that DED spends so much time calling these halfwits out and challenging their completely stupid view of the world.

24 daryl4d { 03.05.11 at 12:02 am }

@nextguy
“Maybe HP will just release a compatible printer soon via air print.”

HP already has printers that are compatible with AirPrint. The problem, as I understand it, is that these printers must be connected to a “network” and the printing command is sent via the iPad’s wifi to the router and then passed onto the printer.

Maybe I wasn’t clear, but when I said our people were going to have customers sign digital documents on the iPad and then print them a copy while “out in the field” I meant they would be in the customer’s homes or places of business… and therefore they would have to use a portable printer that they would be carrying with them (such as PocketJet) to print the newly signed forms. Of course this printer would not be connected to any network router, and therefore need a direct printing protocol. (via bluetooth, for ex). Another emerging protocol is “WiFi” Direct” that also promises to take the router out of the equation, but sadly, I haven’t heard of any printers using that technology and Apple didn’t mention it in the keynote (although the iPad2 could probably support the technology with a simple software update).

So again… anyone out there with any ideas that may work here? I mean, I really don’t know what to do next… do I have to just wait and see or maybe find a way to write the bloody app myself… or is recruiting an angry mob and visiting Steve the only way I’m going to get results?

25 cy_starkman { 03.05.11 at 12:06 am }

@daryl4d

Top question, actually the whole printing question is a good one.

AirPrint offers direct only a scant few printers, there are third party options that can enable any printer hooked to a mac/windows to be an AirPrint printer (which works really well, i use printopia). Obviously this is useless to you.

This is isn’t the biggest problem though. It is iOS Apps that support AirPrint, neither Doc2Go or QuickOffice (coming soon they say) support it. iWork Pages does if you can make your templates all in iWork that’s great but if you have random incoming files then Pages for example will make some mess of anything above text in paragraphs.

There is an App called Printing Center, they have a range of Apps which claim to let Docs2Go (for example) “Open With” to their products and then convert to PDF or print… to any printer connected a computer

It is really frustrating, though if Quick Office comes through then half the frustration will be gone…

Of course, none of that helps because you still can’t make a hardcopy.

If you could convert to a PDF and email it to the client instead of hardcopy would that do, then the client could print a hardcopy if they want it or just file the electronic version? QuickOffice will let you do that in their coming soon update they say. Or Printing Centre and their apps would let you do it now.

Not the answer you were looking for…

26 kdaeseok { 03.05.11 at 12:23 am }

[Who, apart from pundit ninnies, is digging the tablet toys from Dell and Samsung?]

Me, me, me, me, me. It’s a great product. Recommended.

27 kdaeseok { 03.05.11 at 12:24 am }

Oh I mean Galaxy Tab. Don’t know much about Streak.

28 John E { 03.05.11 at 12:31 am }

oh, look, Enderle recovered his senses and is back to dishing garbage too:

http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion/54470-rotten-apples-is-the-tablet-ipad-bubble-breaking

he must have got caught in that Reality Fistortion Field for a day …

29 gus2000 { 03.05.11 at 12:36 am }

First, Weintraub is a tool.

That said, I thought Jobs was reaching when he said iPad2 was the first dual-core tablet “in volume”. That’s highly subjective, and opens the door to, well, trolls. Besides, in the post-PC era, who cares how much “volume” it has, or how many cores? It just works.

Still, Jobs is more awesome than Charlie Sheen right now.

Apple does NOT have 90% of the tablet market. They have 100% of the iPad market, and we’re still waiting for a suitable copycat. Tablets are dead. Throw out your spare styli.

30 Zeta2099 { 03.05.11 at 1:12 am }

Please Dan just ignore the trolls! Don’t feed them!!
Related to the article… Omg and i thought watching some political pundits like Glenn Beck was incredible representative of hate and distortion of reality but i guess you can find it everywhere :D

31 daryl4d { 03.05.11 at 1:40 am }

@cy_starkman
Thanks for the info. I didn’t realize how dumbfounded I am about this. After reading about AirPrint http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airprint.html I can see it’s limits as far as what I want to do. It’s clear it doesn’t yet support direct wifi printing without a router:
” True wireless printing.
“No cables” means exactly that. AirPrint printing is 100 percent wireless. iPad automatically locates and connects to AirPrint-enabled printers on your Wi-Fi network ”
What I didn’t realize is that it also doesn’t support our office networked printer (a HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-in-One) …. ouch.

Apple is normally on the forefront with technology, I wonder what the hold-up is here? Maybe it’s coming or maybe it’s just a niche thing that companies like ours are into. Apple has all the other pieces of the puzzle (such as the apps, as I’ve said before, and I think they’ll all work seamlessly). But no, I can’t just email our customer the doc in PDF form as some clients actually don’t own computers (wwwwhat????)…. and printing the signed form on the spot and leaving it with the customer is a legal requirement for my business. (right now we use pre-printed forms, alot of them, so we feel that carrying a 1.3 Lbs iPad2 and 1 Lbs PocketJet printer and some blanks would be a great alternative ). Most of our digital docs would be in PDF form, and would need to be altered/info filled in/and signed… (apps like zosh would handle that). …
I know any touch friendly Windows 7 netbook-like tablet like that one from Dell where the screen flips around, would work with my PocketJet Bluetooth portable printer, but again, I’m not sure all the apps I need exist on that platform.

As I said before, I’ll buy one iPad2 regardless, but if Steve wants to sell me another half dozen, he’s going to have to work for it…

32 daryl4d { 03.05.11 at 8:19 am }

@nextguy
ok, I know this sounds like my decent into the unspeakable, but do you mind me asking what the name is of your tablet… the one you have to use for work that uses a stylus? Does it use Windows7, have bluetooth, WiFi and a… gulp… do you know any program/app like Zosh that will work on your device and allow any scanned form to be put into PDF format and then be altered/fill in the blanks/signed thru your touchscreen?
And also… how is the performance of your tablet … I mean is it fairly snappy or kinda buggy? I’m just wondering if it is something that one would have to tolerate or if it might actually impress my clients.
Thanks in advance.

33 nextguy { 03.05.11 at 10:06 am }

” DED does a great job at calling out moronic trolls and so called “pundits” and “anal-ysts”. And he does so here again. Why you want to fall into this category is a mystery other than you get off being a ridiculous troll with little understanding of basic business or technology concepts. BTW -your comment that you use a tablet at work with a stylus says a lot about you. You really shouldn’t have let that slip.”

You see, when DED has to resort to lame reasons to defend why a CEO of a company on stage before a live audience and live broadcasts still decided to misquote a person after been corrected weeks ago, shows how much he, you and others are willing to bend over for a company just to enjoy their products.

Apple can be entirely silent on their competitors, sell on their own merits, and be just as or even more successful. It isn’t as if they claim they can’t make enough iphones. Acting like a pompous ass on stage is completely unnecessary and unprofessional – not that I would expect you to know that kind of is behavior never tolerated in most companies, high level or not.

You want to look the other way and still buy their products? It’s your decision. Stupid things like this keep shooting himself in the foot. But who cares when you sell millions of your product and are able to charge $980 for unlocked iphones and 30% of every app and subscription sold.

Oh, btw, about the tablet, I’m not afraid to let people know that such nice equipment exists. I’m not against the ipad because I have to use a windows tablet. I’m willing to bet 99% of the world doesn’t even know of the easy to use stylus control scheme used today on newer tablets.

@daryl4d If you are a clear rational thinker which some here claim to be, your choice of what you buy is what works for *you*, not the masses. The tablet I use is expensive and rugged due to my line of work, made by Xploretech. It of course features bluetooth and wifi, and since professionals use Windows more than anything, your solution is probably easy to find.
The current version runs on a Intel U2500, 1.2 GHz Dual Core processor, simply because it has to run in a sealed enclosure and withstand high heat of outdoors. It is expensive since it is rugged, so I suggest you look for one elsewhere.

Personally I would rather you have the ipad solution since it is so much simpler and focused, but until that day comes where the majority of printers can take in say PS input or a simple protocol (unlike the majority which are just dumb host printers), this problem will continue.

34 daryl4d { 03.05.11 at 11:10 am }

@nextguy
Thanks for the reply… yes, I see what you mean, the Xploretech iX104C4™ Rugged Tablet PC is 5.2 Lbs… I could pack alot of paper forms for that weight. I just did a search on Engadget and there are a few other Win7 tablets out there and more on the way but as you say, it isn’t necessarily an elegant solution,,,
ex., the MSI WindPad 100W… “Despite pitching the Windows device as an Oak Trail device, the WindPad 100W’s still got a 1.66GHz Atom Menlow Z530 CPU here, and Windows 7 is seriously laggy and unresponsive despite the presence of a 32GB SSD and 2GB of RAM…. ”
I’m in between realities here… in the past a company would just pay someone to write a a unique enterprise software solution on Windows (and it would cost a small fortune)… now there seems to be apps for everything and lots of developers have jumped on the iPad bandwagon but I’m not yet represented.

I’ve fired a shot across Apple’s bow by threatening to buy a Win7 tablet but it doesn’t seem to be working :) I asked the PocketJet people if they were writing an app or drivers for the iPad but all I got back was a glossy stare…. I guess my next stop is to ask some of the developers to add bluetooth printing into their apps and pray for the best.

35 Neil Anderson { 03.05.11 at 11:18 am }

Fifteen million iPads sold in nine months — more than the combined sales of all other tablets in history. And sales of $9.5 billion in its first year on the market. No wonder the other guys are soiling their drawers.

36 mailjohannes { 03.05.11 at 12:06 pm }

Nice touch the (mis)quote. And how true. Seems like a Freudian slip-up of Samsung. And that makes it even funnier.
If it was intentional, and it seems some people belief that, it was quit masterful. True, intimidating and belittling at the same time.
I enjoyed the show, but some, got really pissed of from a bullet point. Wow.

J.

37 mailjohannes { 03.05.11 at 12:12 pm }

@daryl4d
I’am not sure your genuinely seeking to find the printer solution you describe. But WiFi tethering could do the trick (of creating an adhoc network your portable printer could connect to).

J.

38 daryl4d { 03.05.11 at 12:31 pm }

NEWS ALERT!!!!!
ok, it’s been a long and winding road, with alot of emotional highs and lows and trips to my therapist, but I think I’ve actually found a solution to my portable printing needs on my future iPad2.

Cortado Workplace, an iPad app, says they can do almost any printer, plus share docs with DocumentsToGo, etc and get this..
“With Cortado and a small mobile printer, like the Pentax Pocket Jet 3 (A4, thermal printing, no consumables) …., needed documents are always at hand.”

I’ve got the Pentax PocketJet 3…. omg, can it be this easy?
I’ll call Cortado monday to confirm the iPad is included cause they make apps for all mobile OS’s and the Apple person I talked to said the iPad doesn’t do bluetooth printing …(but this is such a niche thing, I’m praying the Apple help person was just reading off an AirPrint script)

ok Apple, stop grinning, you don’t got me yet but yah I’ll admit, world domination is now in sight….

39 daryl4d { 03.05.11 at 12:58 pm }

Btw, I noticed Cortado Workplace is a free app and allows up to 2 GB of free online storage… that’s alot of digital documents … (they make money off an expanded enterprise version). .. they also make versions of their apps for Symbian, Palm OS, Andriod and Windows Mobile… but strangely not for Windows7 Phones (not yet, anyways)… sorry if I sound like a commercial, I’m just flabbergasted this was sitting under my radar for so long… my bluetooth printer has been collecting dust for 3 months and here I was waiting for godot….

40 dotnsk { 03.05.11 at 2:42 pm }

On the RAM issue that Weintraub (and other tech pundits) seem so concerned with: I just did a quick search of Apple’s press releases regarding the original iPad announcement and every iPhone announcement. Nowhere in those press releases do they mention the amount of RAM a device has.

Put another way: Apple has NEVER announced how much RAM their mobile devices have. In fact, my perusal of their press releases revealed what I already knew: that they generally steer clear of discussing internals beyond storage capacity and use of their own processing chips. These pundits are creating smoke where there simply isn’t any fire.

We’ll figure out how much RAM the iPad 2 has onboard the same way we have for all other iOS devices: during an iFixIt teardown.

I’m not even sure why people care. I used to work in the consumer electronics industry slinging Apple products, and I never ONCE had any customer ask me how much RAM the iPad had. I don’t even think anyone asked me about the screen resolution, but they were concerned about its size and weight. Very few consumers care about these sorts of details; generally they’re just concerned with what a device can do rather than all of the numbers associated with it.

41 steveO { 03.05.11 at 7:04 pm }

You had me till you mentioned Sarah Palin. Leave politics out of it – it diminishes your opinions.

42 wisetech { 03.05.11 at 7:24 pm }

@jpinto

Actually, it isn’t a coincidence. He’s the same Seth Weintraub from 9to5mac.com! *shock*

http://www.9to5mac.com/author/seth-weintraub

43 daryl4d { 03.05.11 at 7:39 pm }

@dotnsk
I normally don’t take sides, I like to learn from everyone… but to add to your point, in my above comment a reviewer called the new MSI WindPad Tablet with 2 GB ram “…seriously laggy and unresponsive”. I’ve never heard anyone call last years iPad that, with only 256mb of ram.

44 nextguy { 03.05.11 at 9:06 pm }

^^ Well that’s because the CPU is the culprit, not the RAM. When an ipad lags when opening multiple pages, more than likely its the RAM, not the CPU.

45 SkyTree { 03.06.11 at 7:49 am }

Dan,

Nice article, I too regard this Seth Weintraub as uninformative.

Question is, now that “Apple also offers a $399 iPad”, is this just a sell-off of old stock, or will Apple continue to offer it as a previous-generation model the way older iPhones are sold?

If so, neither Steve nor Seth spelled it out, but the $400 price is the entry level for a tablet. Any Android device that can’t drop features and come equal to or below that price will not even be considered by low-end buyers.

46 Howard { 03.06.11 at 11:53 am }

Another excellently written and researched article Daniel.

Weintraub is a retard and a serial liar himself. Lashing out at success is essentially his core modus operandi in trying to deflect from his incompetence.

47 philipday { 03.06.11 at 1:10 pm }

As far as the printer bit goes – why not simply plug some low end portable printer into an Airport Express? – gives you a network to print through, Internet if you can plug in the ether jack, or join a local one, but even without – it works. You’ll have to set it up ahead of time, but no hassle and the Airports size is no worse than the iPads charger. think outside the box….

48 nextguy { 03.06.11 at 2:30 pm }

^^You expect him to lug around a battery powered ipad, a battery powered printer, and an a/c powered air port express just to print? He needs portability. If that’s the case he can just buy some stupid notebook without the artificial limitations.

49 philipday { 03.06.11 at 3:44 pm }

to: Nextguy.
ref: “You expect him to lug around a battery powered ipad, a battery powered printer, and an a/c powered air port express just to print? ”
Obviously you don’t know how to add:
1 iPad (or notebook)
One printer (needed for iPad or Notebook)
1 pocket sized Airport ( no worse than that extra battery or large PS for your notebook since it ain’t running 12 hours like an iPad. In short, by adding one **small** accessory, I’m now capable of printing- and weight is STILL less than your Netbook. Whats next? – ignoring the add on 3G USB dongle that most laptops also need?

50 jpinto { 03.06.11 at 3:59 pm }

@wisetech
I know. I was just trying to be ironic. But I would’nt need to, as the situation is ironic enough, in and by itself.

51 nextguy { 03.06.11 at 8:46 pm }

@philipday, um, not sure what part of it REQUIRING A/C POWER KINDA KILLS THE PORTABLE ASPECT OF THE AIRPORT EXPRESS?
“Whats next? – ignoring the add on 3G USB dongle that most laptops also need?”
You know, there are 3G ready laptops available with built in modems, most even have a free mini pci-e slot internally for them also.

52 kdaeseok { 03.07.11 at 7:39 am }

Don’t be all psyched up by Jobs’ comments. He’s ill. My aunt said a lot of rubbish to others when she was in hospital. She didn’t really mean to hurt others, she was just in pain.
So forget what he said and be understanding.

53 adobephile { 03.07.11 at 8:40 am }

Dan, I love it when you call out these trolling cowards by asking “Who are you?” They just blather on, relishing the anonymity the internet affords them.

54 tundraboy { 03.07.11 at 9:56 am }

@kdaeseok. Re your comment about Jobs’ illness. You just got the prize for the most classless comment ever in the history of RDM. You need to to sit alone in a room and reflect about what is so important about competition in the tablet market that you would be willing to stoop so low. I am embarrassed to be of the same species as you. But then again, probably not because I have warm blood and no scales.

55 4phun { 03.07.11 at 11:09 am }

If a quarter million cheap android phones have already been rooted by the mother of all malware, how many $800 and up Android tablets will get rooted by malware from the Android Marketplace?

I smell the beginning of the mother of all class action suits when the tablet users get burned.

56 4phun { 03.07.11 at 11:16 am }

I smell the beginning of the  mother of all class action suits.

If a quarter million cheap android phones have already been rooted by the mother of all malware, how many $800 and up Android tablets will get rooted by malware from the Android Marketplace?

I smell the beginning of the  mother of all class action suits when the tablet users get burned.

57 daryl4d { 03.07.11 at 5:22 pm }

@nextguy
^^ “Well that’s because the CPU is the culprit, not the RAM. When an ipad lags when opening multiple pages, more than likely its the RAM, not the CPU.”

Ok, I see what you mean. I guess my point was that right out of the box, the first person to review the MSI WindPad Tablet said it was “…seriously laggy and unresponsive”.
When the first iPad came out I’ve never heard those type of words and even today people say it’s a great tablet. When Apple updated the software to include multitasking, maybe that’s when the lag you speak about occurred (but I don’t own one yet so I can’t confirm that). The iPad2 is rumored to have at least 512mb ram, maybe that will solve the problem.

MY FINAL THOUGHTS ON PORTABLE PRINTING
after talking with Cortado today, I am back to the drawing board… unfortunately the iPad doesn’t support bluetooth printing. They said they’ve talked to Apple and although the iPad has bluetooth, for security reasons they won’t allow it to be accessed for printing. I also talked to Apple to give them feedback on what I wanted… I guess it will be like the cameras, when enough people want it, they will support it. So what was all that big talk at Cortado about supporting bluetooth printers?Here’s the kicker… Android 2.0 and higher will support direct bluetooth printing according to Cortado (ouch!). That would include any cheap Android tablet that has bluetooth and Cortado writes apps for all the platforms that will make it work. Of course there’s one caveat: the tablet must connect to Cortado’s server, download the driver for the appropriate portable printer and then use it to print the doc. The driver must be downloaded each time you have a printing session…wwwwhat? Yeah, one time use.
So you need a tablet with 3G or internet access.

@philipday
I want to thank you for suggesting a novel solution, the AirPort Express is only 6.7 ounces… the Pentax PocketJet 3 will not work with it (no network port) but there are several HP portable wifi printers. The only thing I need to find out, does that portable printer need to be supported thru AirPrint for this suggestion to work? AirPrint supports only a handful of drivers.

I do want to make it work with Apple… you have light weight, seamless apps and the cool factor…. but still no working solution. My journey continues….

58 nextguy { 03.07.11 at 5:57 pm }

^^What helps hide the lag in iOS is the GPU acceleration.

59 philipday { 03.07.11 at 6:12 pm }

daryl4d
-further to the printing problem – the printer does not have to be a network printer – most printers hook up and print from the USB port on the Express. Check out the small Canon.
@ Nextguy: really, *now* the problem isn’t how many devices you are hauling around – I blew that silly argument out of the water – now it’s the fact that the Express has to be plugged it. Lord, where are you signing contracts? – the cow pasture? Put an inverter in your car or buy a battery run “hotspot”

60 daryl4d { 03.07.11 at 8:47 pm }

@philipday
Thanks again… as I’ve said in my earlier posts, I’m not a tech person, I’m looking at this as a (business) consumer. You sound like you know what you’re talking about, yet I think you’re leaving out some info cause I still don’t follow. The Pentax PocketJet also has integrated USB, so I guess I could plug it into the AirPort Express… but how do I get the proper drivers onto the iPad(2)? As I asked last time, thru this set-up, are you expecting the iPad to print using it’s AirPrint protocol? If so, the only supported printers seem to be the larger office types, and the list is quite small. Or are you saying that I would use the Cortado Workplace App and that app would have to download the proper driver for whatever portable printer I have? Or is the small Canon (please let me know the model #) that you speak about somehow supported thru AirPrint? I would appreciate some clarity….thanks

61 kdaeseok { 03.07.11 at 11:41 pm }

tundraboy // no no, my point was to understand Jobs (and his pain). There’s nothing classless about it.

62 nextguy { 03.08.11 at 6:34 am }

@philipday, now he is tethered to the car with that solution, and again isn’t any better off getting a macbook air or something. With my company I have a cradle to charge the tablet and a cord for the printer, but if I come into someones house to print their invoice and look for an outlet to setup my own network, makes it look silly and unprofessional.

63 daryl4d { 03.08.11 at 10:09 am }

MORE final thoughts on iPad Portable Printing

“Here’s the kicker… Android 2.0 and higher will support direct bluetooth printing ….” btw Symbian, Palm OS, Blackberry and Windows Mobile all support direct bluetooth printing… get with the program Apple!
Obviously the most elegant solution is having a tablet that supports direct bluetooth printing (I’m being repetitive) …but here is what will work so far..

1. iPad2 (1.3 Lbs) with Pentax PocketJet ((1.16 Lbs including onboard battery, yeah!) and the AirPort Express (6.7 ounces or .42 Lbs) working with Cortado Workplace app for an under 3 Lb solution.

2. A cheap Chinese Andriod tablet w/t bluetooth /wifi (approx $200. and 1.78 Lbs) running Andriod 2.2, with the Pentax PocketJet 3 and the Cortado Workplace app… under 3 Lb solution.

These solutions still require Cortado app to download the printer driver for each individual printing session, so wifi/3G internet access is still required.

3. Windows7 tablet with wifi/bluetooth and permanently installed bluetooth printing drivers and native bluetooth printing capability, with Pentax Pockjet Printer and Cortado Workplace-like app running the show. Weight unknown, but currently the most flexible solution as internet access is not required.

@philipday
I googled small canon printer and came up with Canon BJC-85 Portable Printer, no longer being manufactured but still available new and used, and interestingly has a scanner module that turns it into a portable scanner (although that accessary is difficult to locate). The printer alone is slightly over 3 Lbs, so add the tablet and the necessary router and your looking at an over 5Lbs solution. Also, I didn’t emphasize that we do work in Canada, including the northern areas where it can get to -50C at times, so there is a possibility ink cartridges would freeze if left in the vehicle for any period of time. The PocketJet is a thermal printer/no ink and is more ideal.

The final possibility is the iPad (or other tablet) with an IrDa dongle that would work with an app to do infrared printing. I haven’t found anything yet but if anyone here has heard about this, let me know…. and thanks in advance.

64 tonortall { 03.08.11 at 12:41 pm }

@daryl4d: As you can capture the signature electronically, perhaps some different thinking is required. Could you not print as PDF and email to your customer? Is that viable? I’m thinking something like GoodReader to annotate a PDF and then off to mail for delivering the contract. You also get an email address then.

65 JohnWatkins { 03.08.11 at 1:56 pm }

Don’t worry, kdaeseok.
Even ignoring the possibly you don’t speak English as your first language, I didn’t find your post offensive. TB’s response was rather rude though.

66 MathMan { 03.08.11 at 3:17 pm }

Another set of twisted facts are not due to Seth W, but to the marketing people. The marketing and comparison guides claim a pixel density of 160ppi, which at the given resolution of 1280×800 pixels gives the screen dimensions at 8in x 5in, or 9.4in diagonal. I looked at a Xoom at BestBuy, and my measurements found that it had an active screen size of 8.5″x5.3″, which does give the claimed 10.1 diagonal (rounding up), but puts the Xoom’s pixel density at 150ppi and not the claimed 160ppi. That’s too big a discrepancy to be due to roundoff error converting from metric measurements. Apple’s claimed ppi of 132 is completely accurate according to my measurements.

Another often touted fact is the “bigger display”, which assumes that having a larger diagonal means more area, ignoring basic geometry. In fact, the Xoom is more narrowly proportioned at a 8:5 ratio compared to the iPad’s 4:3, and if you crunch the numbers, you find that the iPad and the Xoom have virtually identical active screen areas. (My numbers give a very slight advantage to the iPad, but that is within the margin of error of my measurements.)

67 nextguy { 03.08.11 at 3:18 pm }

@tonortall, seems to be already possible with current pay software. Did he want to print custom forms??

In any case, the iphone is consumer first, business second. Judging by their sales I can’t blame them.

68 ShabbaRanks { 03.08.11 at 5:42 pm }

Bit of background. I, fairly recently, was browsing one of my favourite tech sites, Arstechnica, and read a terrible article about the health warning on the Nintendo 3DS. The basic premise was that because there’s no specific evidence of 3D displays damaging the ocular systems of children there is no risk at all. As an expert in the field I thought this article was quite dangerous in that it’s tone was entirely dismissive, said outright that Nintendo had no reason to put any warnings on their product and was written by the Science Editor for a website that I thought was fairly reputable. 
I registered for the comments section and wrote why Nintendo were sensible to warn people of the potential dangers of the 3DS. Sadly I was then a troll magnet and any point I had to make got lost in the noise of 1000 armchair expert douchebags. 

Sorry for the history but I now no longer use Ars or Gizmodo or Engadget as I’ve had an epiphany. Those tech blog sites not only don’t matter but are generally factually wrong. It’s the tech equivalent of reading a celebrity gossip magazine and taking it all as gospel. 

Your site, however, is a good read. Always was. There’s just one thing wrong now. The comments section. It used to be cool to have a comments section that was as informative and fun as the articles themselves. That has gone now. Trolls reared their heads, people wouldn’t stop feeding them and now even you’re feeding them. When it gets to that point it’s time to close the comments section. I’ve always liked Paul Thurrott. Yes, he’s a total shill and totally under the Microsoft thumb but if you take his bias into account he’s not a bad guy. Point is, his site got a lot better recently when he stopped having comments sections. No more trolling from
MS lovers and haters and people can take his stuff as it comes. I
never thought I’d say this here but recommend you do the same. 

PS: I’m fully aware of the irony in using a comments section to decry them. I’ll continue to read your stuff but not the comments section anymore. Peace. 

69 adobephile { 03.08.11 at 6:27 pm }

@ShabbaRanks

Oooo, great epiphany! What took you so long to figure that out?

So, you’re for just allowing these blogging buffoons to spew unchallenged? DED is certainly not mute on that subject–to the point of maintaining his own blog to both repost the facts as he knows and researches them, and to the point of firing his own ammo to shoot from his own hip.

Why should he listen to such wimpy advice from the likes of you?

Oh, and why should you–like sooooo many others–insist on spelling “its” (possessive pronoun) with an apostrophe (ONLY a contraction for “it is” or “it has)?

70 adobephile { 03.08.11 at 6:28 pm }

“Repost” in my post #69 should have been “report.”

71 daryl4d { 03.08.11 at 6:47 pm }

@tonortall
“Could you not print as PDF and email to your customer?”
This same thought was brought up cy_starkman in an above comment. No I can not and I will re-print my response as to why:

“…But no, I can’t just email our customer the doc in PDF form as some clients actually don’t own computers (wwwwhat????)…. and printing the signed form on the spot and leaving it with the customer is a legal requirement for my business. (right now we use pre-printed forms, alot of them, so we feel that carrying a 1.3 Lbs iPad2 and 1 Lbs PocketJet printer and some blanks would be a great alternative ). Most of our digital docs would be in PDF form, and would need to be altered/info filled in/and signed…and then printed on the spot “

72 turleymuller { 03.08.11 at 6:56 pm }

Seth wrote- “Apple has just as many points of sale for the iPad as Samsung has for the Tab and likely many more.”

Samsung Tab is sold in 100+ countries on 200+ carriers and I would expect that points of sale total at least 500. Apple was only in 26 countries in Sept increasing to 46 in Dec. In the US, iPad is sold through 2 carriers while Samsung Tab is double or more that, plus sold at more 3rd party resellers in US. iPads were only sold @ Apple and BBY up until October in US.

What is this guy smoking?

73 nextguy { 03.08.11 at 7:25 pm }

@shabbaranks, I looked at the comments, and didn’t find people there trolling you, and most “discussed” the pro’s and con’s of the article, with people saying stuff like “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

The majority of what DED posts now is just pundit rebuttals. Some articles are spot on, some are ok, and some are like huh? Pointing out why the ipad will keep leading is based on sound reasoning; defending a CEO on semantics is quite weak.

74 tonortall { 03.09.11 at 4:36 am }

@daryl4d: true I did not read the whole thread. Seems like you’ve exhausted the possibilities for the time being. unless you can find some 3g aware printer that can directly print pdf and is portable. unlikely.

75 tundraboy { 03.09.11 at 9:06 am }

@kadaesok. If that’s what you meant, my bad. You could have said it better though, you came across as mocking and patronizing a man who has, let’s not kid ourselves, been fighting for his life these last few years.

76 gslusher { 03.09.11 at 2:32 pm }

@turleymuller:

“Samsung Tab is sold in 100+ countries on 200+ carriers and I would expect that points of sale total at least 500. Apple was only in 26 countries in Sept increasing to 46 in Dec. In the US, iPad is sold through 2 carriers while Samsung Tab is double or more that, plus sold at more 3rd party resellers in US. iPads were only sold @ Apple and BBY up until October in US.”

Apple sells the iPad through a multitude of retail outlets, not just “carriers.” Besides Apple’s own stores, it sells iPads through Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, and a host of online merchants and local Mac dealers. Amazon, itself, doesn’t sell the iPad but it does handle sales for dozens of vendors through Amazon Marketplace.

77 kdaeseok { 03.09.11 at 7:44 pm }

Yeap, your bad.

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