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	<title>Comments on: Ten Myths of Apple’s iPad: 10. It needs Mac OS X</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: gslusher</title>
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		<dc:creator>gslusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video is great! I don&#039;t know how you kept that deadpan expression the entire time.

As for comments to the effect that the video is &quot;amateurish,&quot; guess what, folks? Dan *IS* an &quot;amateur&quot; at video. So? It was fun for us and surely for Dan &amp; Khara.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video is great! I don&#8217;t know how you kept that deadpan expression the entire time.</p>
<p>As for comments to the effect that the video is &#8220;amateurish,&#8221; guess what, folks? Dan *IS* an &#8220;amateur&#8221; at video. So? It was fun for us and surely for Dan &amp; Khara.</p>
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		<title>By: sauerkraut</title>
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		<dc:creator>sauerkraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading your site since the first &quot;myth&quot; video popped up, so only a little while, but I really enjoy your writing style and the videos are really well done. Of all the tech blogs I read I look forward to your updates the most. Your articles are clear, concise, well-researched and without any of the hyperbole that plagues other tech journalists.

As far as the video with KaraChara goes, I enjoyed it but it seemed a little unrehearsed and clumsy. You two have great chemistry and your dry delivery really sets up a lot of comedic possibilities, but the entire video was one long &quot;joke&quot; without the rise and fall we normally associate with comedy performances. Enjoyed it overall, but think it would work better comedy-wise if it were a little shorter, Khara&#039;s performances were a little more understated and you turned up the &quot;dry&quot; a little bit.

Fantastic site, thanks for all the great reports. Looking forward to your updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your site since the first &#8220;myth&#8221; video popped up, so only a little while, but I really enjoy your writing style and the videos are really well done. Of all the tech blogs I read I look forward to your updates the most. Your articles are clear, concise, well-researched and without any of the hyperbole that plagues other tech journalists.</p>
<p>As far as the video with KaraChara goes, I enjoyed it but it seemed a little unrehearsed and clumsy. You two have great chemistry and your dry delivery really sets up a lot of comedic possibilities, but the entire video was one long &#8220;joke&#8221; without the rise and fall we normally associate with comedy performances. Enjoyed it overall, but think it would work better comedy-wise if it were a little shorter, Khara&#8217;s performances were a little more understated and you turned up the &#8220;dry&#8221; a little bit.</p>
<p>Fantastic site, thanks for all the great reports. Looking forward to your updates.</p>
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		<title>By: dan.whalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan.whalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel - good post &amp; video. It was NOT too much, the humor helps you make your points. Keep doing the videos with Khara, just remember that she&#039;s the comedian and your the straight-man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel &#8211; good post &amp; video. It was NOT too much, the humor helps you make your points. Keep doing the videos with Khara, just remember that she&#8217;s the comedian and your the straight-man.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Currie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Currie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As hopefully a sort of cap on this thread, rather than straighten out all the odd rubbish mythology that has been posted, I&#039;ll simply point out that anyone reading this site has a massive library of information at their finger tips. Why the GUI conversation became contentious makes no sense seeing as there is very adequate coverage at Wikipedia. Rather than bicker over nonsense, drop a link! It can be that simple.

Winging a discussion without source material to back up assertions usually ends in big &#039;oops&#039; moments. Been there done that myself plenty of times. Going back to the source for information verification is a basic concept of General Semantics, the study of how to force sanity into verbal discussions. Wikipedia covers that subject adequately as well.

Dan and I have won many the computer warz shoot out by simply posting verifiable facts to counter troll drivel. There&#039;s nothing like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As hopefully a sort of cap on this thread, rather than straighten out all the odd rubbish mythology that has been posted, I&#8217;ll simply point out that anyone reading this site has a massive library of information at their finger tips. Why the GUI conversation became contentious makes no sense seeing as there is very adequate coverage at Wikipedia. Rather than bicker over nonsense, drop a link! It can be that simple.</p>
<p>Winging a discussion without source material to back up assertions usually ends in big &#8216;oops&#8217; moments. Been there done that myself plenty of times. Going back to the source for information verification is a basic concept of General Semantics, the study of how to force sanity into verbal discussions. Wikipedia covers that subject adequately as well.</p>
<p>Dan and I have won many the computer warz shoot out by simply posting verifiable facts to counter troll drivel. There&#8217;s nothing like it.</p>
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		<title>By: enzos</title>
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		<dc:creator>enzos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I don&#039;t pretend to know EXACTLY what you&#039;re talking about here (I&#039;m a scientist who uses computers, not a computer scientist) but that was my general understanding from colleagues in CS. 

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I don&#8217;t pretend to know EXACTLY what you&#8217;re talking about here (I&#8217;m a scientist who uses computers, not a computer scientist) but that was my general understanding from colleagues in CS. </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Bryon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I particularly care for this format. In your shareholder meeting &quot;non-report&quot; you mentioned how boring you were in the other videos - not so! With as much reading as I do throughout the day it was a nice break to hear you narrate your articles. It seems I might be in the minority with my opinion, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I particularly care for this format. In your shareholder meeting &#8220;non-report&#8221; you mentioned how boring you were in the other videos &#8211; not so! With as much reading as I do throughout the day it was a nice break to hear you narrate your articles. It seems I might be in the minority with my opinion, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ulicar: &quot;You are confusing quite powerful and a novel approach of vector based UI with an OS. UI is just a shell on top of a command line OS, just as is with Windows, it is with OS X. I am not quite sure how iPhone OS works, but there might be command line in there as well&quot;

Clearly you don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re talking about here. A command line is just a UI (user interface); a method for user interaction with a computer. An operating system doesn&#039;t have to have a command line at all. The original Mac OS never had one.

Windows, which originally ran on top of DOS, was just an application environment it was not a separate operating system. However, DOS was not a &quot;command line OS,&quot; DOS ran a program called COMMAND.COM that allowed a user to enter commands. DOS could run just fine without COMMAND.COM and could even be replaced with something that was not a command line.

OS X doesn&#039;t run on top of anything, it is a complete OS. Yes, it does have a terminal for entering commands, but it is mainly used to interface with the BSD sub-system and other Unix/text based programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ulicar: &#8220;You are confusing quite powerful and a novel approach of vector based UI with an OS. UI is just a shell on top of a command line OS, just as is with Windows, it is with OS X. I am not quite sure how iPhone OS works, but there might be command line in there as well&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly you don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re talking about here. A command line is just a UI (user interface); a method for user interaction with a computer. An operating system doesn&#8217;t have to have a command line at all. The original Mac OS never had one.</p>
<p>Windows, which originally ran on top of DOS, was just an application environment it was not a separate operating system. However, DOS was not a &#8220;command line OS,&#8221; DOS ran a program called COMMAND.COM that allowed a user to enter commands. DOS could run just fine without COMMAND.COM and could even be replaced with something that was not a command line.</p>
<p>OS X doesn&#8217;t run on top of anything, it is a complete OS. Yes, it does have a terminal for entering commands, but it is mainly used to interface with the BSD sub-system and other Unix/text based programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Shunnabunich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shunnabunich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second NormM&#039;s comments about the video: it felt pretty stiff (er, not that way) and scripted. Reading off lines of technical debate while trying to emphasize occurrences of the word &quot;touch&quot; as innuendo just didn&#039;t do it for me. (If KharaCara isn&#039;t technology-minded, it&#039;s understandable that she might be &quot;flying blind&quot; in terms of how to infuse humour into what she&#039;s saying.) The thing about the real Get a Mac ads is that they&#039;re short and witty, often using an on-screen metaphor to represent the central issue addressed by the ad if it can&#039;t be verbally explained in a succinct and easily comprehensible way. Here are a couple that could be done for the iPad (say, if you had a bigger budget):

&quot;Engine&quot;

(MAC and IPAD standing side-by-side.)

MAC: Hi, I&#039;m a Mac.
IPAD: And I&#039;m the new iPad.
MAC: Say, I was wondering — you&#039;re running the same kind of software as the iPhone, right? Why didn&#039;t you go for full-blown Mac OS X like I did?
IPAD: Ehh, that might be a bit...overkill.

(Cut to hypothetical scenario: MAC is standing beside IPAD, who is sitting in a kiddie car which has a gigantic car engine attached. The engine is roaring.)

IPAD (looking at car&#039;s dashboard in near-panic, yelling to be heard over engine noise): I think this is more than I needed! How do I turn it off?!
MAC (also struggling to be heard): Go to the &quot;Engine&quot; menu and press &quot;Shut Down&quot;!
IPAD (poking at dashboard): I...it&#039;s too small, I can&#039;t do it with my finger!
(IPAD pokes the dashboard again; the car suddenly revs and shoots off-screen.)
IPAD: Aaagh!
(A distant crash is heard. MAC is dumbstruck. Cut back to reality, where the two are again standing side-by-side.)

MAC (bemused): Huh. You might have a point there.

(Music finishes; cut to logo.)

&quot;Touch-Enabled&quot;

(IPAD and PC standing side-by-side. PC has a dark, shiny panel messily duct-taped to his front.)

IPAD: Hi, I&#039;m the new iPad.
PC (very pleased with himself): And I&#039;m a new, *touch-enabled* PC. (pops eyebrows for effect, gesturing to his touch panel)
IPAD: Oh, cool! That must&#039;ve been a huge job, making everything work with your fingers instead of a mouse.
PC: Not really. I just took one of those taskbar enlargement pills I keep getting emails about.
IPAD (a bit puzzled): ...Oh. But...what about all your apps and games? Don&#039;t the controls need to be changed a bit to work better with fingers?
PC: Oh, those? You just use the mouse for those.
IPAD: But you just said you&#039;re...a...
PC (feeling quite uncomfortable): A touch-enabled PC, yup. (pause) Man, aren&#039;t buzzwords the coolest thing ever?

(Music finishes; cut to logo.)

Obviously, that&#039;s probably not in the same league as TBWA/Chiat/Day&#039;s work (and Apple would only run &quot;Get a Mac&quot; ads about Macs, not iPads), but you get the picture. I think doing skits that drive your points home is a cool idea, but you need to hold off until you&#039;ve had a chance to really refine it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second NormM&#8217;s comments about the video: it felt pretty stiff (er, not that way) and scripted. Reading off lines of technical debate while trying to emphasize occurrences of the word &#8220;touch&#8221; as innuendo just didn&#8217;t do it for me. (If KharaCara isn&#8217;t technology-minded, it&#8217;s understandable that she might be &#8220;flying blind&#8221; in terms of how to infuse humour into what she&#8217;s saying.) The thing about the real Get a Mac ads is that they&#8217;re short and witty, often using an on-screen metaphor to represent the central issue addressed by the ad if it can&#8217;t be verbally explained in a succinct and easily comprehensible way. Here are a couple that could be done for the iPad (say, if you had a bigger budget):</p>
<p>&#8220;Engine&#8221;</p>
<p>(MAC and IPAD standing side-by-side.)</p>
<p>MAC: Hi, I&#8217;m a Mac.<br />
IPAD: And I&#8217;m the new iPad.<br />
MAC: Say, I was wondering — you&#8217;re running the same kind of software as the iPhone, right? Why didn&#8217;t you go for full-blown Mac OS X like I did?<br />
IPAD: Ehh, that might be a bit&#8230;overkill.</p>
<p>(Cut to hypothetical scenario: MAC is standing beside IPAD, who is sitting in a kiddie car which has a gigantic car engine attached. The engine is roaring.)</p>
<p>IPAD (looking at car&#8217;s dashboard in near-panic, yelling to be heard over engine noise): I think this is more than I needed! How do I turn it off?!<br />
MAC (also struggling to be heard): Go to the &#8220;Engine&#8221; menu and press &#8220;Shut Down&#8221;!<br />
IPAD (poking at dashboard): I&#8230;it&#8217;s too small, I can&#8217;t do it with my finger!<br />
(IPAD pokes the dashboard again; the car suddenly revs and shoots off-screen.)<br />
IPAD: Aaagh!<br />
(A distant crash is heard. MAC is dumbstruck. Cut back to reality, where the two are again standing side-by-side.)</p>
<p>MAC (bemused): Huh. You might have a point there.</p>
<p>(Music finishes; cut to logo.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Touch-Enabled&#8221;</p>
<p>(IPAD and PC standing side-by-side. PC has a dark, shiny panel messily duct-taped to his front.)</p>
<p>IPAD: Hi, I&#8217;m the new iPad.<br />
PC (very pleased with himself): And I&#8217;m a new, *touch-enabled* PC. (pops eyebrows for effect, gesturing to his touch panel)<br />
IPAD: Oh, cool! That must&#8217;ve been a huge job, making everything work with your fingers instead of a mouse.<br />
PC: Not really. I just took one of those taskbar enlargement pills I keep getting emails about.<br />
IPAD (a bit puzzled): &#8230;Oh. But&#8230;what about all your apps and games? Don&#8217;t the controls need to be changed a bit to work better with fingers?<br />
PC: Oh, those? You just use the mouse for those.<br />
IPAD: But you just said you&#8217;re&#8230;a&#8230;<br />
PC (feeling quite uncomfortable): A touch-enabled PC, yup. (pause) Man, aren&#8217;t buzzwords the coolest thing ever?</p>
<p>(Music finishes; cut to logo.)</p>
<p>Obviously, that&#8217;s probably not in the same league as TBWA/Chiat/Day&#8217;s work (and Apple would only run &#8220;Get a Mac&#8221; ads about Macs, not iPads), but you get the picture. I think doing skits that drive your points home is a cool idea, but you need to hold off until you&#8217;ve had a chance to really refine it.</p>
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		<title>By: gus2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>gus2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By the middle of 1983, I would usually talk with [MS Employee] Neil Konzen on the phone a couple of times a week. He would sometimes request a feature that I would implement for him, or perhaps complain about the way something was done. But most of the time I would answer his various questions about the intricacies of the still evolving API. 

I gradually began to notice that Neil would often ask questions about implementation details that he didn&#039;t really need to know about. In particular, he was really curious about how regions were represented and implemented, and would often detail his theories about them to me, hoping for confirmation. 

Aside from intellectual curiosity, there was no reason to care about the system internals unless you were trying to implement your own version of it. I told Steve that I suspected that Microsoft was going to clone the Mac, but he wasn&#039;t that worried because he didn&#039;t think they were capable of doing a decent implementation... Microsoft didn&#039;t manage to ship a version of Windows until almost two years later, releasing Windows 1.0 in the fall of 1985. It was pretty crude, just as Steve had predicted, with little of the Mac&#039;s thoughtful elegance. It didn&#039;t even have overlapping windows, preferring a simpler technique called &quot;tiling&quot;. When its utter rejection became apparent a few months later, Bill Gates fired the implementation team and started a new version from scratch, led by none other than Neil Konzen.&quot;

 - Andy Herzfeld

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=A_Rich_Neighbor_Named_Xerox.txt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By the middle of 1983, I would usually talk with [MS Employee] Neil Konzen on the phone a couple of times a week. He would sometimes request a feature that I would implement for him, or perhaps complain about the way something was done. But most of the time I would answer his various questions about the intricacies of the still evolving API. </p>
<p>I gradually began to notice that Neil would often ask questions about implementation details that he didn&#8217;t really need to know about. In particular, he was really curious about how regions were represented and implemented, and would often detail his theories about them to me, hoping for confirmation. </p>
<p>Aside from intellectual curiosity, there was no reason to care about the system internals unless you were trying to implement your own version of it. I told Steve that I suspected that Microsoft was going to clone the Mac, but he wasn&#8217;t that worried because he didn&#8217;t think they were capable of doing a decent implementation&#8230; Microsoft didn&#8217;t manage to ship a version of Windows until almost two years later, releasing Windows 1.0 in the fall of 1985. It was pretty crude, just as Steve had predicted, with little of the Mac&#8217;s thoughtful elegance. It didn&#8217;t even have overlapping windows, preferring a simpler technique called &#8220;tiling&#8221;. When its utter rejection became apparent a few months later, Bill Gates fired the implementation team and started a new version from scratch, led by none other than Neil Konzen.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8211; Andy Herzfeld</p>
<p><a href="http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=A_Rich_Neighbor_Named_Xerox.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=A_Rich_Neighbor_Named_Xerox.txt</a></p>
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		<title>By: ObamaPacman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObamaPacman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@49 / ulicar,

Sorry to get your hopes up.

&quot;In exchange for the opportunity to invest in a hot new pre-IPO start-up called &quot;Apple,&quot; the Xerox PARC commandos were forced -- under protest -- to give Apple&#039;s engineers a tour and a demonstration of their work. The result was the Apple Macintosh, which Microsoft later copied to create Windows.&quot;
http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000918.htm

As to Xerox copyright case against Apple, Xerox lost. 

Got any more fantasies you want to post as fact? Thanks for saving us the trouble of going to failblog.

By the way, there is no tooth fairy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@49 / ulicar,</p>
<p>Sorry to get your hopes up.</p>
<p>&#8220;In exchange for the opportunity to invest in a hot new pre-IPO start-up called &#8220;Apple,&#8221; the Xerox PARC commandos were forced &#8212; under protest &#8212; to give Apple&#8217;s engineers a tour and a demonstration of their work. The result was the Apple Macintosh, which Microsoft later copied to create Windows.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000918.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000918.htm</a></p>
<p>As to Xerox copyright case against Apple, Xerox lost. </p>
<p>Got any more fantasies you want to post as fact? Thanks for saving us the trouble of going to failblog.</p>
<p>By the way, there is no tooth fairy.</p>
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