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	<title>Comments on: Gizmodo&#8217;s incredibly naive Jesus Diaz compares Apple&#8217;s corporate security to Nazi Gestapo</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: gslusher</title>
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		<dc:creator>gslusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, Daniel, as usual. People who are &quot;outraged&quot; at Apple&#039;s (or Microsoft&#039;s) corporate security have a simple option to avoid it: don&#039;t apply for a job there!

I wonder what Diaz would think of my former employer. I, too, had to agree to keep the employer&#039;s secrets. However:
* I could be prosecuted and sent to prison if I did reveal secrets.
* I was under compulsion to not reveal secrets for life.
* If I were to ever write an article or book dealing with my time with the employer, I might have to get the employer&#039;s permission to publish it.
* I couldn&#039;t quit without the employer&#039;s permission.
* I couldn&#039;t participate in most political activities at all, not just at work. (Many First Amendment rights were abrogated--legally.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, Daniel, as usual. People who are &#8220;outraged&#8221; at Apple&#8217;s (or Microsoft&#8217;s) corporate security have a simple option to avoid it: don&#8217;t apply for a job there!</p>
<p>I wonder what Diaz would think of my former employer. I, too, had to agree to keep the employer&#8217;s secrets. However:<br />
* I could be prosecuted and sent to prison if I did reveal secrets.<br />
* I was under compulsion to not reveal secrets for life.<br />
* If I were to ever write an article or book dealing with my time with the employer, I might have to get the employer&#8217;s permission to publish it.<br />
* I couldn&#8217;t quit without the employer&#8217;s permission.<br />
* I couldn&#8217;t participate in most political activities at all, not just at work. (Many First Amendment rights were abrogated&#8211;legally.)</p>
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		<title>By: nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ David

I quoted &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;, not Jesus. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David</p>
<p>I quoted <i>you</i>, not Jesus. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: David Hupp</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Nat,

Except that nowhere did Jesus Diaz say or imply that “choosing a Mac is exactly like honoring and supporting tyrannical leaders of a regime that murdered 10’s of millions of people.”

...snap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nat,</p>
<p>Except that nowhere did Jesus Diaz say or imply that “choosing a Mac is exactly like honoring and supporting tyrannical leaders of a regime that murdered 10’s of millions of people.”</p>
<p>&#8230;snap!</p>
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		<title>By: David Hupp</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dallasmay: Lol.

At least Apple doesn&#039;t dispatch bicyclists to inflict motorcycle accidents on critical bloggers, like Gooogle does. Instead Apple just sues them.

Of course, FTA actually said that &quot;some employees call them the Apple Gestapo&quot;, or something like that... (I can&#039;t easily and go double check, because the iPhone doesn&#039;t support multitasking with NetNewsWire.)

But yes, the article is paraphrasing a third party source, one who obviously either has a sense of humor or is just disgruntled, one whom isn&#039;t identified for obvious reasons.

Quoting sensitive sources? How... journalistic.

I personally think a tongue-in-cheek comparison to the absurd surveillance (sp?) practices of the East German Stasi, since people seem to have a much sense of humor about the Stasi than the Gestapo. (No Godwin&#039;s Law, either.)

If the level of of surveillance described in the article actually exists, then yes, Apple is being excessive. Requiring (recommending, lol) employees turn over their personal cellphones brings to mind the big story early this year of the Bozeman, Monatana asking job applicants to hand over their Facebook credentials to the city. (Though, I&#039;m sure neither has anything on the Department of Defense or the State Department, your mailman can pretty much say whatever the f*ck he wants. FOIA, anyone?)

While yes, Nazi comparisons are almost always shallow and juvenile, what&#039;s really douche-y is spending an entire article harping about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dallasmay: Lol.</p>
<p>At least Apple doesn&#8217;t dispatch bicyclists to inflict motorcycle accidents on critical bloggers, like Gooogle does. Instead Apple just sues them.</p>
<p>Of course, FTA actually said that &#8220;some employees call them the Apple Gestapo&#8221;, or something like that&#8230; (I can&#8217;t easily and go double check, because the iPhone doesn&#8217;t support multitasking with NetNewsWire.)</p>
<p>But yes, the article is paraphrasing a third party source, one who obviously either has a sense of humor or is just disgruntled, one whom isn&#8217;t identified for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>Quoting sensitive sources? How&#8230; journalistic.</p>
<p>I personally think a tongue-in-cheek comparison to the absurd surveillance (sp?) practices of the East German Stasi, since people seem to have a much sense of humor about the Stasi than the Gestapo. (No Godwin&#8217;s Law, either.)</p>
<p>If the level of of surveillance described in the article actually exists, then yes, Apple is being excessive. Requiring (recommending, lol) employees turn over their personal cellphones brings to mind the big story early this year of the Bozeman, Monatana asking job applicants to hand over their Facebook credentials to the city. (Though, I&#8217;m sure neither has anything on the Department of Defense or the State Department, your mailman can pretty much say whatever the f*ck he wants. FOIA, anyone?)</p>
<p>While yes, Nazi comparisons are almost always shallow and juvenile, what&#8217;s really douche-y is spending an entire article harping about it.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMacAdvocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMacAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* Summer&#039;s Eve was my idea!

http://themacadvocate.com/2009/05/04/douchebag-row-my-tribute-to-tech’s-finest/

I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a coincidence.  :)  If it isn&#039;t, I&#039;m flattered.  Good stuff, Dan. Jesus is one temper tantrum away from total obscurity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* Summer&#8217;s Eve was my idea!</p>
<p><a href="http://themacadvocate.com/2009/05/04/douchebag-row-my-tribute-to-tech’s-finest/" rel="nofollow">http://themacadvocate.com/2009/05/04/douchebag-row-my-tribute-to-tech’s-finest/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a coincidence.  :)  If it isn&#8217;t, I&#8217;m flattered.  Good stuff, Dan. Jesus is one temper tantrum away from total obscurity.</p>
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		<title>By: nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ dallasmay,

Except that nowhere did Dan say or imply that &quot;choosing a computer with Windows is exactly like honoring and supporting tyrannical leaders of a regime that murdered 10’s of millions of people.&quot;

Despite Microsoft&#039;s pretty terrible ability to keep secrets—and its CEOs who like to brag about products that either evaporate as vaporware or materialize as compromised, uninspired, by-committee crap—their privacy policies are likely very similar to Apple&#039;s...and Google&#039;s, and just about every other major commercial company that&#039;s ever existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ dallasmay,</p>
<p>Except that nowhere did Dan say or imply that &#8220;choosing a computer with Windows is exactly like honoring and supporting tyrannical leaders of a regime that murdered 10’s of millions of people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Despite Microsoft&#8217;s pretty terrible ability to keep secrets—and its CEOs who like to brag about products that either evaporate as vaporware or materialize as compromised, uninspired, by-committee crap—their privacy policies are likely very similar to Apple&#8217;s&#8230;and Google&#8217;s, and just about every other major commercial company that&#8217;s ever existed.</p>
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		<title>By: ObamaPacman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObamaPacman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa Dan, you made the graphic using voice commands, or are you healing at wolverine speed? =p

From what I can tell, Diaz seems to like Apple in most of his articles (at least recently). For example, recently he wrote: &quot;Top 5 Assclown iPhone Quotes in 2007&quot; which makes fun of pundits who dismissed iPhone without considering the merits.

Looks like this time his story is too sensational for his own good. The Nazi comparison is definitely inappropriate, but that&#039;s probably because he never had a job in the corporate environment before.

Anyway, Apple&#039;s security seems to be on par as any large corporation.

In contrast, Microsoft seems to be even more restricted than Apple.

MS even fired a guy who posted a photo showing a large shipment of Macs on MS campus. The guy thought the photo is ok to post because the photo contained no Microsoft confidential information, no building features, no security measures, and no Microsoft personnel. But Microsoft fired the guy anyway even when there is no intellectual property at risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa Dan, you made the graphic using voice commands, or are you healing at wolverine speed? =p</p>
<p>From what I can tell, Diaz seems to like Apple in most of his articles (at least recently). For example, recently he wrote: &#8220;Top 5 Assclown iPhone Quotes in 2007&#8243; which makes fun of pundits who dismissed iPhone without considering the merits.</p>
<p>Looks like this time his story is too sensational for his own good. The Nazi comparison is definitely inappropriate, but that&#8217;s probably because he never had a job in the corporate environment before.</p>
<p>Anyway, Apple&#8217;s security seems to be on par as any large corporation.</p>
<p>In contrast, Microsoft seems to be even more restricted than Apple.</p>
<p>MS even fired a guy who posted a photo showing a large shipment of Macs on MS campus. The guy thought the photo is ok to post because the photo contained no Microsoft confidential information, no building features, no security measures, and no Microsoft personnel. But Microsoft fired the guy anyway even when there is no intellectual property at risk.</p>
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		<title>By: dallasmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>dallasmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan, Remember this one?
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/13/soviet-microsoft-how-resistance-to-free-markets-and-open-ideas-will-the-unravel-the-software-superpower/

&quot;Microsoft’s ideological contempt for and resistance to free markets and the open expression and propagation of fresh ideas and technologies is a close parallel of the old USSR...&quot; 

I&#039;m assuming this is SOOOOOO MUCH DIFFERENT than Apple being called Nazis. Because really, choosing a computer with Windows is exactly like honoring and supporting tyrannical leaders of a regime that murdered 10&#039;s of millions of people. 

To quote LOST: &quot;You see this glass house your living in, Jack? How about I get you some stones.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan, Remember this one?<br />
<a href="http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/13/soviet-microsoft-how-resistance-to-free-markets-and-open-ideas-will-the-unravel-the-software-superpower/" rel="nofollow">http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/13/soviet-microsoft-how-resistance-to-free-markets-and-open-ideas-will-the-unravel-the-software-superpower/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Microsoft’s ideological contempt for and resistance to free markets and the open expression and propagation of fresh ideas and technologies is a close parallel of the old USSR&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming this is SOOOOOO MUCH DIFFERENT than Apple being called Nazis. Because really, choosing a computer with Windows is exactly like honoring and supporting tyrannical leaders of a regime that murdered 10&#8217;s of millions of people. </p>
<p>To quote LOST: &#8220;You see this glass house your living in, Jack? How about I get you some stones.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wich</title>
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		<dc:creator>wich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was flamed and then banned from Gizmodo after I called out Jason Chen for his douchebaggery :/
Did not regret it though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was flamed and then banned from Gizmodo after I called out Jason Chen for his douchebaggery :/<br />
Did not regret it though :)</p>
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		<title>By: Phildikian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phildikian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Daniel. I too laughed out loud when I saw the picture - perfect. I also liked the &quot;MASTER-link-BATER&quot; line - well done. I am glad you&#039;re back in action and calling these idiots for what they are. I guess too may people love this kind of sensationalist media which is why Gizmodo will never give it up, but in the end it doesn&#039;t really matter. There are enough people who value reality, we just have to put up with them until they wind up finalists for the Darwin award or something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Daniel. I too laughed out loud when I saw the picture &#8211; perfect. I also liked the &#8220;MASTER-link-BATER&#8221; line &#8211; well done. I am glad you&#8217;re back in action and calling these idiots for what they are. I guess too may people love this kind of sensationalist media which is why Gizmodo will never give it up, but in the end it doesn&#8217;t really matter. There are enough people who value reality, we just have to put up with them until they wind up finalists for the Darwin award or something&#8230;</p>
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