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	<title>Comments on: John Dvorak reverses entire career, says Microsoft should copy Apple</title>
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		<title>By: The Mad Hatter</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-22075</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mad Hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SteveS,

I stand by what I said. You don&#039;t buy OSX, you buy a Mac. The OS is a value added proposition with Apple products.

Whereas Windows has no value to the majority of users, and could be replaced by anything. In many companies that I deal with, Windows is deliberately crippled, so that only one application, the one that the employee uses, can be run. Whether that application runs on BSD, Linux, OSX, or Windows doesn&#039;t matter, as long as it runs.

And its the same in many homes - the only application used is the web browser. As long there is a web browser, the OS doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveS,</p>
<p>I stand by what I said. You don&#8217;t buy OSX, you buy a Mac. The OS is a value added proposition with Apple products.</p>
<p>Whereas Windows has no value to the majority of users, and could be replaced by anything. In many companies that I deal with, Windows is deliberately crippled, so that only one application, the one that the employee uses, can be run. Whether that application runs on BSD, Linux, OSX, or Windows doesn&#8217;t matter, as long as it runs.</p>
<p>And its the same in many homes &#8211; the only application used is the web browser. As long there is a web browser, the OS doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-22063</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When you buy from Apple, you are buying the computer. OSX is incidental. You don’t need to use it. Hell, I know people who replace it with Linux/FreeBSD (programmers). &quot;

@The Mad Hatter,

Huh?  Sales of OS X may be incidental in and of itself to Apple&#039;s bottom line.  That is, Apple makes its money from the sale of hardware.  However, if you think Apple would be selling the same amount of hardware with Windows or Linux installed instead of OS X, you&#039;re completely delusional.   Similarly, do you think Apple would sell as many iPhones with Windows Mobile installed on the same hardware?  No, of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When you buy from Apple, you are buying the computer. OSX is incidental. You don’t need to use it. Hell, I know people who replace it with Linux/FreeBSD (programmers). &#8221;</p>
<p>@The Mad Hatter,</p>
<p>Huh?  Sales of OS X may be incidental in and of itself to Apple&#8217;s bottom line.  That is, Apple makes its money from the sale of hardware.  However, if you think Apple would be selling the same amount of hardware with Windows or Linux installed instead of OS X, you&#8217;re completely delusional.   Similarly, do you think Apple would sell as many iPhones with Windows Mobile installed on the same hardware?  No, of course not.</p>
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		<title>By: Google fans fail to contemplate why Android is free &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-22024</link>
		<dc:creator>Google fans fail to contemplate why Android is free &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Java on the desktop, microkernels, and Sirius XM all once had. (That was a callback to my previous, unrelated article for you regular [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sprockkets</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-22022</link>
		<dc:creator>sprockkets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I do want a mac :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I do want a mac :)</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d believe software and hardware are equally important especially after seeing the 27&quot; iMac. That&#039;s a fantastic move on Apple&#039;s part. It&#039;s like a combo hidef TV/computer. I could see a lot of people putting those in bedrooms to do double duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d believe software and hardware are equally important especially after seeing the 27&#8243; iMac. That&#8217;s a fantastic move on Apple&#8217;s part. It&#8217;s like a combo hidef TV/computer. I could see a lot of people putting those in bedrooms to do double duty.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckO</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-22017</link>
		<dc:creator>ChuckO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the software is incidental. I bought my MacBook Pro mainly for the software. A lot of people buy a computer and never buy any software. What&#039;s great about Mac&#039;s is the software. iLife in particular. I payed more for a Mac because of that and I felt like with the high end hardware it would last longer but mainly i bought it for the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the software is incidental. I bought my MacBook Pro mainly for the software. A lot of people buy a computer and never buy any software. What&#8217;s great about Mac&#8217;s is the software. iLife in particular. I payed more for a Mac because of that and I felt like with the high end hardware it would last longer but mainly i bought it for the software.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Hatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here’s a question I have about Apple. I have a very hard time buying that Apple sells hardware not software. Is Apple working right now because they’ve finally gotten hardware right or because they’ve got software right or a combination? And is Apple actually succeeding right now or is Next succeeding after assuming Apple’s identity?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
ChuckO,
Go into an Apple store, and look. What do you see? Computers and music players take up 80% of the store. There&#039;s a small set of shelves in the back with boxed software.
So yes, Apple sells hardware.
Even better, go to your local Honda dealer and look at the cars. I just bought a new Honda Fit today, nice little car, great fuel economy, lots of room, etc. The software that runs the MP3 player, the engine, and the air conditioning is incidental. Honda couldn&#039;t sell the car without the software. I didn&#039;t buy the car because of the software. I bought it because I needed a car for my kids, and this was the one that satisfied our needs.
When you buy from Apple, you are buying the computer. OSX is incidental. You don&#039;t need to use it. Hell, I know people who replace it with Linux/FreeBSD (programmers). Or even, god forbid, Windows (though it would make more sense to use Boot Camp,  Parallels, or DarWine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here’s a question I have about Apple. I have a very hard time buying that Apple sells hardware not software. Is Apple working right now because they’ve finally gotten hardware right or because they’ve got software right or a combination? And is Apple actually succeeding right now or is Next succeeding after assuming Apple’s identity?</p></blockquote>
<p>ChuckO,<br />
Go into an Apple store, and look. What do you see? Computers and music players take up 80% of the store. There&#8217;s a small set of shelves in the back with boxed software.<br />
So yes, Apple sells hardware.<br />
Even better, go to your local Honda dealer and look at the cars. I just bought a new Honda Fit today, nice little car, great fuel economy, lots of room, etc. The software that runs the MP3 player, the engine, and the air conditioning is incidental. Honda couldn&#8217;t sell the car without the software. I didn&#8217;t buy the car because of the software. I bought it because I needed a car for my kids, and this was the one that satisfied our needs.<br />
When you buy from Apple, you are buying the computer. OSX is incidental. You don&#8217;t need to use it. Hell, I know people who replace it with Linux/FreeBSD (programmers). Or even, god forbid, Windows (though it would make more sense to use Boot Camp,  Parallels, or DarWine).</p>
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		<title>By: John E</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-22013</link>
		<dc:creator>John E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only one thing matters for the success/failure of MS retail stores: the scope of their free Guru tech support.

if they give free tech support to anyone about anything to do with MS software on any hardware, they will be a big success (in filling up the store at least). Because! so many PC users need so much help so often. and everyone else, like the BestBuy Geek Squad, charges rip off prices for it.

but i bet they don&#039;t do that.

instead they will likely sell an MS version of AppleCare and/or provide tech support for hardware (including now PC&#039;s) that you buy directly from MS in the store or on line (at retail list instead of web discount price). why give away for free what you can &quot;monetize&quot;?

so free help will probably be sharply limited in both time and scope.

in fairness, the free Genius Bar help at Apple stores is not really &quot;free&quot; of course. it is just part of the store overhead that is covered by the retail list prices you pay there for Apple and third-party products. but it sure is convenient.

on the spot warranty repair/replacement is the other big Apple retail store advantage. will MS provide that service for the PC&#039;s it sells? of course, the XBox warranty desk will always be mobbed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only one thing matters for the success/failure of MS retail stores: the scope of their free Guru tech support.</p>
<p>if they give free tech support to anyone about anything to do with MS software on any hardware, they will be a big success (in filling up the store at least). Because! so many PC users need so much help so often. and everyone else, like the BestBuy Geek Squad, charges rip off prices for it.</p>
<p>but i bet they don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>instead they will likely sell an MS version of AppleCare and/or provide tech support for hardware (including now PC&#8217;s) that you buy directly from MS in the store or on line (at retail list instead of web discount price). why give away for free what you can &#8220;monetize&#8221;?</p>
<p>so free help will probably be sharply limited in both time and scope.</p>
<p>in fairness, the free Genius Bar help at Apple stores is not really &#8220;free&#8221; of course. it is just part of the store overhead that is covered by the retail list prices you pay there for Apple and third-party products. but it sure is convenient.</p>
<p>on the spot warranty repair/replacement is the other big Apple retail store advantage. will MS provide that service for the PC&#8217;s it sells? of course, the XBox warranty desk will always be mobbed.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question I have about Apple. I have a very hard time buying that Apple sells hardware not software. Is Apple working right now because they&#039;ve finally gotten hardware right or because they&#039;ve got software right or a combination? And is Apple actually succeeding right now or is Next succeeding after assuming Apple&#039;s identity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question I have about Apple. I have a very hard time buying that Apple sells hardware not software. Is Apple working right now because they&#8217;ve finally gotten hardware right or because they&#8217;ve got software right or a combination? And is Apple actually succeeding right now or is Next succeeding after assuming Apple&#8217;s identity?</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckO</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-22011</link>
		<dc:creator>ChuckO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anybody not following the Windows 7 rollout anyone going from Windows XP to Windows 7 has to backup all files then INSTALL Windows 7 OVER XP and then REINSTALL all apps and restore your personal files. What is MS thinking with that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anybody not following the Windows 7 rollout anyone going from Windows XP to Windows 7 has to backup all files then INSTALL Windows 7 OVER XP and then REINSTALL all apps and restore your personal files. What is MS thinking with that!</p>
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