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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: Android hype vehicle set to crash in 2010 &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/21/gartners-presumptuous-coronation-of-android-as-the-windows-of-smartphones/comment-page-1/#comment-23249</link>
		<dc:creator>Android hype vehicle set to crash in 2010 &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gartner&#8217;s presumptuous coronation of Android as the Windows of smartphones This all happened before [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Inside Google&#8217;s Android and Apple&#8217;s iPhone OS as core platforms &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inside Google&#8217;s Android and Apple&#8217;s iPhone OS as core platforms &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is being frequently compared to Microsoft Windows by pundits, despite the fact that Google has little in common with Microsoft in terms of how it runs its new platform and how it plans to make money from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Argosy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argosy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,
Don&#039;t you think jdb, tundraboy really hit the most important point?  Google makes no money off Android (or Chrome OS) right?  It is all about search isn&#039;t it?  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve mentioned this before.

Google has Android and Chrome OS to squash any chance MS has in mobile search (and online services) in both phones and &#039;netbooks&#039;. 

As Daniel points out Android will have the same problem as Windows Mobile, &quot;one&quot; OS on a slew of different mobile devices.  Guaranteeing that no &quot;two phones&quot; work the same.  Splintered hardware efforts breed splintered third party development.  Androids benefits are: 1) it&#039;s free and 2) it&#039;s actually available NOW with multi-touch capabilities. Windows Mobile, not so much....

I mean does Google really care about the phone business?  No of course not.  They just want to make sure Windows Mobile has no chance of getting out of the grave MS has dug for it. And hence, Bing has little chance of being important in the mobile search world.

Apple certainly won&#039;t default to Bing for search on the iPhone.  As long as Windows Mobile is being sold, will many hardware manufactures want to help out MS by selling an Android phone default to Bing for search?

It&#039;s like when Pepsico owned KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut etc. etc.  Coke distributers simply had to point out to potential restaurant owners is, &#039;Do you want to subsidize your competition by selling Pepsi?&#039;  Of course not.

As Daniel and others have already said, Google is not targeting the iPhone with Android.

Cheers,
Argosy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,<br />
Don&#8217;t you think jdb, tundraboy really hit the most important point?  Google makes no money off Android (or Chrome OS) right?  It is all about search isn&#8217;t it?  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve mentioned this before.</p>
<p>Google has Android and Chrome OS to squash any chance MS has in mobile search (and online services) in both phones and &#8216;netbooks&#8217;. </p>
<p>As Daniel points out Android will have the same problem as Windows Mobile, &#8220;one&#8221; OS on a slew of different mobile devices.  Guaranteeing that no &#8220;two phones&#8221; work the same.  Splintered hardware efforts breed splintered third party development.  Androids benefits are: 1) it&#8217;s free and 2) it&#8217;s actually available NOW with multi-touch capabilities. Windows Mobile, not so much&#8230;.</p>
<p>I mean does Google really care about the phone business?  No of course not.  They just want to make sure Windows Mobile has no chance of getting out of the grave MS has dug for it. And hence, Bing has little chance of being important in the mobile search world.</p>
<p>Apple certainly won&#8217;t default to Bing for search on the iPhone.  As long as Windows Mobile is being sold, will many hardware manufactures want to help out MS by selling an Android phone default to Bing for search?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like when Pepsico owned KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut etc. etc.  Coke distributers simply had to point out to potential restaurant owners is, &#8216;Do you want to subsidize your competition by selling Pepsi?&#8217;  Of course not.</p>
<p>As Daniel and others have already said, Google is not targeting the iPhone with Android.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Argosy</p>
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		<title>By: thyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>thyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A difference between PCs and phones is also that people expect their phones to just work. And they get upset beyond belief if they recognise that their phones crash, so much that it harms the reputation of the entire company, even if it just one phone that is problematic. To this date I believe that actually, two specific phone models ruined two companies in that field: The buggy S1 ruined Siemens (they then sold to Benq), and the S930 (?) ruined Sony Ericcson.

People need their phones. If a platform is not stably running third party apps, people tend to not install any. They will use their so-called smartphones only with the built-in software that is hopefully tested, thereby effectivly down-grading them to feature phones. This is the case for -as it appears- Windows Mobile, Symbian, and also RIM. 

But there is a significant number of people out there who really understand what a smartphone should be about.  Enter the iPhone. More and more people start recognising that this is actually a _smartphone_. Apps run stably and are usable.

So the Gartner report does not properly reflect what is happening right now, because they count those maybe 90 % of Symbian, Windows Mobile and RIM phones that are really only used as feature phones, among the smartphones.

They completely miss the fact that the perception of smartphones -now that the first true smartphone showed up- will quickly change, and the market situation follows suit.  This is very important for developpers, since they cannot sell apps to &quot;feature phone users&quot;.

Does Android &quot;just work&quot;, like a phone should? If yes, it might become a player. If it is in line with the usual Nerd chaos of Linux, the 10000 apps already available now (a great success I must say) could well just be the typical emanations of the devoted Linux community, a hermetic world of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A difference between PCs and phones is also that people expect their phones to just work. And they get upset beyond belief if they recognise that their phones crash, so much that it harms the reputation of the entire company, even if it just one phone that is problematic. To this date I believe that actually, two specific phone models ruined two companies in that field: The buggy S1 ruined Siemens (they then sold to Benq), and the S930 (?) ruined Sony Ericcson.</p>
<p>People need their phones. If a platform is not stably running third party apps, people tend to not install any. They will use their so-called smartphones only with the built-in software that is hopefully tested, thereby effectivly down-grading them to feature phones. This is the case for -as it appears- Windows Mobile, Symbian, and also RIM. </p>
<p>But there is a significant number of people out there who really understand what a smartphone should be about.  Enter the iPhone. More and more people start recognising that this is actually a _smartphone_. Apps run stably and are usable.</p>
<p>So the Gartner report does not properly reflect what is happening right now, because they count those maybe 90 % of Symbian, Windows Mobile and RIM phones that are really only used as feature phones, among the smartphones.</p>
<p>They completely miss the fact that the perception of smartphones -now that the first true smartphone showed up- will quickly change, and the market situation follows suit.  This is very important for developpers, since they cannot sell apps to &#8220;feature phone users&#8221;.</p>
<p>Does Android &#8220;just work&#8221;, like a phone should? If yes, it might become a player. If it is in line with the usual Nerd chaos of Linux, the 10000 apps already available now (a great success I must say) could well just be the typical emanations of the devoted Linux community, a hermetic world of its own.</p>
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		<title>By: tundraboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tundraboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@enzos.

I apologize in advance for the pedantry.

The media is/are:   In British English collective nouns are plural.  In U.S. English collective nouns are singular.  So in London, you say &quot;the Bank of England ARE . . .&quot; while in Washington, it&#039;s &quot;the Federal Reserve Bank IS . . . &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@enzos.</p>
<p>I apologize in advance for the pedantry.</p>
<p>The media is/are:   In British English collective nouns are plural.  In U.S. English collective nouns are singular.  So in London, you say &#8220;the Bank of England ARE . . .&#8221; while in Washington, it&#8217;s &#8220;the Federal Reserve Bank IS . . . &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: enzos</title>
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		<dc:creator>enzos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gus.. 
USAGE The word media comes from the Latin plural of medium. The traditional view is that it should therefore be treated as a plural noun in all its senses in English and be used with a plural rather than a singular verb:: the media have not followed the reports (rather than &#124; has not followed). -Oxford

So sue me - I&#039;m a traditionalist. Next thing you&#039;ll be telling me the data is incorrect. 

And who said.. was meant to be an ellipsis? There&#039;s no missing words; it&#039;s just a laid-back colon! 

--
umm	
a cigarette that has already bein lit and smoked and put out before finished to save until later.

Umm jar: The jar you put your umms in. Or any jar that looks like a bee
-Urban Dictionary
Love it!
Enz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus..<br />
USAGE The word media comes from the Latin plural of medium. The traditional view is that it should therefore be treated as a plural noun in all its senses in English and be used with a plural rather than a singular verb:: the media have not followed the reports (rather than | has not followed). -Oxford</p>
<p>So sue me &#8211; I&#8217;m a traditionalist. Next thing you&#8217;ll be telling me the data is incorrect. </p>
<p>And who said.. was meant to be an ellipsis? There&#8217;s no missing words; it&#8217;s just a laid-back colon! </p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
umm<br />
a cigarette that has already bein lit and smoked and put out before finished to save until later.</p>
<p>Umm jar: The jar you put your umms in. Or any jar that looks like a bee<br />
-Urban Dictionary<br />
Love it!<br />
Enz</p>
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		<title>By: bartfat</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Dan.  Excellent analysis, backed fully by lots of evidence.  It almost seems like you&#039;re a real professional at this, even as &quot;professional&quot; writers on the topic fail to grasp what logic you seem to put out.  But you are right, too much of the tech media is based on emotion and opinions, not facts, and some of this is due to the general public not really caring for factual articles, because they aren&#039;t informed enough to know the difference between opinion and fact.  It all sounds the same to them, which is why CNET and PC Magazine still exist.  Thankfully, these giant paid flacks are really diving into oblivion though, because once people realize you&#039;re just putting out unsubstantiated opinions, they stop listening.  Thank god that there&#039;s someone like Daniel still here, telling us common sense among everyone else pounding on Apple.

Sorry, back to the article.  Android is a great platform, no doubt, but didn&#039;t you actually suggest that it would occupy the low-end smartphone segment while the iPhone took the top-end?  I guess that&#039;s not happening anymore, since Apple has repeatedly said that it&#039;s not leaving a price umbrella to allow fierce competition on its turf.  So it&#039;s just Apple, Google, and RIM (who is caught is the middle) that own the lucrative part of the smartphone market (Nokia didn&#039;t really make great smartphones until very recently.. meaning anything that isn&#039;t Symbian... and uptake has been pretty slow on those devices).  but as TundraBoy and some others have pointed out, Google isn&#039;t planning on battling Apple directly, and would rather just not get locked out the market if Windows Mobile took over, which is why they launched Android.  Since Apple already gives Google prime locations on its phone, why would they want to destroy it in order for a arguably less-inspiring phone to take its place?  Google needs a halo product for showcasing its search technologies... and I think the iPhone fits the bill quite nicely.  I don&#039;t think Google is searching for a substitute for the iPhone like &quot;analysts&quot; would like people to think.

It&#039;s just the so called &quot;analysts&quot; like Gartner that make up predictions all of this in the hope that their revenue stream doesn&#039;t dry up and they start losing readers (who apparently don&#039;t like Apple in the first place, since they are unfamiliar with their products anyway).  I&#039;d say they&#039;re similar to Greenpeace... dying but it&#039;ll be a quite a while before anyone gets them to shut up about Apple, because obviously they had the balls to give Dell (who did NOTHING in environmental terms, but said EVERYTHING) a better score, even currently, than Apple (who eliminated all PVC and BFRs... no other PC maker has done that yet).  It&#039;s all in the name of publicity, and it sickens me.

P.S. I&#039;ve just noticed I&#039;ve repeated most of what Daniel has said one time or another in his articles.  Well done Daniel, for 3+ years of journalism excellence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Dan.  Excellent analysis, backed fully by lots of evidence.  It almost seems like you&#8217;re a real professional at this, even as &#8220;professional&#8221; writers on the topic fail to grasp what logic you seem to put out.  But you are right, too much of the tech media is based on emotion and opinions, not facts, and some of this is due to the general public not really caring for factual articles, because they aren&#8217;t informed enough to know the difference between opinion and fact.  It all sounds the same to them, which is why CNET and PC Magazine still exist.  Thankfully, these giant paid flacks are really diving into oblivion though, because once people realize you&#8217;re just putting out unsubstantiated opinions, they stop listening.  Thank god that there&#8217;s someone like Daniel still here, telling us common sense among everyone else pounding on Apple.</p>
<p>Sorry, back to the article.  Android is a great platform, no doubt, but didn&#8217;t you actually suggest that it would occupy the low-end smartphone segment while the iPhone took the top-end?  I guess that&#8217;s not happening anymore, since Apple has repeatedly said that it&#8217;s not leaving a price umbrella to allow fierce competition on its turf.  So it&#8217;s just Apple, Google, and RIM (who is caught is the middle) that own the lucrative part of the smartphone market (Nokia didn&#8217;t really make great smartphones until very recently.. meaning anything that isn&#8217;t Symbian&#8230; and uptake has been pretty slow on those devices).  but as TundraBoy and some others have pointed out, Google isn&#8217;t planning on battling Apple directly, and would rather just not get locked out the market if Windows Mobile took over, which is why they launched Android.  Since Apple already gives Google prime locations on its phone, why would they want to destroy it in order for a arguably less-inspiring phone to take its place?  Google needs a halo product for showcasing its search technologies&#8230; and I think the iPhone fits the bill quite nicely.  I don&#8217;t think Google is searching for a substitute for the iPhone like &#8220;analysts&#8221; would like people to think.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the so called &#8220;analysts&#8221; like Gartner that make up predictions all of this in the hope that their revenue stream doesn&#8217;t dry up and they start losing readers (who apparently don&#8217;t like Apple in the first place, since they are unfamiliar with their products anyway).  I&#8217;d say they&#8217;re similar to Greenpeace&#8230; dying but it&#8217;ll be a quite a while before anyone gets them to shut up about Apple, because obviously they had the balls to give Dell (who did NOTHING in environmental terms, but said EVERYTHING) a better score, even currently, than Apple (who eliminated all PVC and BFRs&#8230; no other PC maker has done that yet).  It&#8217;s all in the name of publicity, and it sickens me.</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;ve just noticed I&#8217;ve repeated most of what Daniel has said one time or another in his articles.  Well done Daniel, for 3+ years of journalism excellence!</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ChuckO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sanjayp

&quot;The only hope that Android has in the consumer market is if the is a plethora of device options that are relatively cheap; more hardware features at a subsidized price close to zero. Otherwise, go iPhone!&quot;

There seems to be a consensus on this being the likely outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sanjayp</p>
<p>&#8220;The only hope that Android has in the consumer market is if the is a plethora of device options that are relatively cheap; more hardware features at a subsidized price close to zero. Otherwise, go iPhone!&#8221;</p>
<p>There seems to be a consensus on this being the likely outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: sanjayp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hoohah! You should teach the English: Argument class at Stanford or UC Berkeley. 

The only hope that Android has in the consumer market is if the is a plethora of device options that are relatively cheap; more hardware features at a subsidized price close to zero. Otherwise, go iPhone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hoohah! You should teach the English: Argument class at Stanford or UC Berkeley. </p>
<p>The only hope that Android has in the consumer market is if the is a plethora of device options that are relatively cheap; more hardware features at a subsidized price close to zero. Otherwise, go iPhone!</p>
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