Comments on: John Gruber: “crummy” not to link to the source, unless its me http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/ Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:15:36 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: MarkyMark http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21724 MarkyMark Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:16:44 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21724 I have long assumed that there are many tech bloggers / pundits whose professional lives basically boil down to a lot of light-weight dick-waving, and when they encounter Daniel's tomes they just go ballistic from the (probably subconscious) realization that they can't begin to touch his encyclopedic breadth and depth of knowledge of what's REALLY been going on in various tech areas in recent decades. I have long assumed that there are many tech bloggers / pundits whose professional lives basically boil down to a lot of light-weight dick-waving, and when they encounter Daniel’s tomes they just go ballistic from the (probably subconscious) realization that they can’t begin to touch his encyclopedic breadth and depth of knowledge of what’s REALLY been going on in various tech areas in recent decades.

]]> By: BigDan http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21696 BigDan Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:31:50 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21696 Hi Dan, I used to be a big fan of Gruber though not anymore. He's become lazy and rarely writes anything meaty these days. His links are usually interesting but that's about it. I think he's actually quite jealous of the depth and detail of your articles and uses your heavily pro-Apple stance as a stick to beat you with. He thinks that by never being "too close" to Apple that he has become some kind of "authority" figure in the community. he lets the cat out of the bag on his podcast though. On this, ahem, hootfest, he just comes across as a horribly smug cleverdick. More dick than clever actually. I've also noticed recently just how much criticism of Apple and high praising of Microsoft is going on over at MacBreak Weekly. Have they been bought and paid for now too? It certainly seems like it. In his outrageously positive review of the Zune HD, Ihnatko (like the known paid shills) hardly mentioned the app launching adverts or the complete lack of Apps. If this had been Apple he would have slaughtered them for it. Anyway, keep up the excellent work. Hi Dan,
I used to be a big fan of Gruber though not anymore. He’s become lazy and rarely writes anything meaty these days. His links are usually interesting but that’s about it.

I think he’s actually quite jealous of the depth and detail of your articles and uses your heavily pro-Apple stance as a stick to beat you with. He thinks that by never being “too close” to Apple that he has become some kind of “authority” figure in the community. he lets the cat out of the bag on his podcast though. On this, ahem, hootfest, he just comes across as a horribly smug cleverdick. More dick than clever actually.

I’ve also noticed recently just how much criticism of Apple and high praising of Microsoft is going on over at MacBreak Weekly. Have they been bought and paid for now too? It certainly seems like it. In his outrageously positive review of the Zune HD, Ihnatko (like the known paid shills) hardly mentioned the app launching adverts or the complete lack of Apps. If this had been Apple he would have slaughtered them for it.

Anyway, keep up the excellent work.

]]> By: gus2000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21684 gus2000 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:43:26 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21684 I think Gruber is just mad that Daniel took his cousin Hanz and threw him out a window of the Nakatomi building. [is that a Prince McClane joke? "Whoa, easy man. I won't hurt you." - Dan] I think Gruber is just mad that Daniel took his cousin Hanz and threw him out a window of the Nakatomi building.

[is that a Prince McClane joke? "Whoa, easy man. I won't hurt you." - Dan]

]]> By: TheMacAdvocate http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21676 TheMacAdvocate Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:26:08 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21676 I regularly read you both, but always find Daniel to align better with my personal OSview. I also think Daniel's prolific output is a huge resource to the tech community. If JG wrote more original material, instead of the 80% of his wordcount that bounces to other sources (to his credit, they're usually worth a read), I'm sure he'd be facing a lot more of the challenges involved in being 100% right, 100% of the time. As a person who hacks at a Mac blog once or twice a week, it frankly amazes me that anyone can produce as much quality volume as Daniel. Keep up the great work! I regularly read you both, but always find Daniel to align better with my personal OSview. I also think Daniel’s prolific output is a huge resource to the tech community. If JG wrote more original material, instead of the 80% of his wordcount that bounces to other sources (to his credit, they’re usually worth a read), I’m sure he’d be facing a lot more of the challenges involved in being 100% right, 100% of the time.

As a person who hacks at a Mac blog once or twice a week, it frankly amazes me that anyone can produce as much quality volume as Daniel. Keep up the great work!

]]> By: eddieclay http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21672 eddieclay Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:08:20 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21672 He flipped out in the lowest possible manner on one of the greatest Cocoa/Nextstep indy developers of all time when that developer simply had the foresight and honesty to tell the truth ... and has yet to apologize as far as I know. I wish Apple bloggers simply maintained the same level of class that Apple developers/engineers and their products have achieved. Passionate != crude+rude+lude. http://daringfireball.net/2003/08/i_would_not_feel_so_all_alone He flipped out in the lowest possible manner on one of the greatest Cocoa/Nextstep indy developers of all time when that developer simply had the foresight and honesty to tell the truth … and has yet to apologize as far as I know. I wish Apple bloggers simply maintained the same level of class that Apple developers/engineers and their products have achieved. Passionate != crude+rude+lude.

http://daringfireball.net/2003/08/i_would_not_feel_so_all_alone

]]> By: Ephilei http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21668 Ephilei Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:13:52 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21668 @Daniel - Are you going to respond to Gruber's article? I've been waiting. Daniel may make mistakes, but he's honest and that's more important. He's also biased, but he's openly biased so I don't mind. So am I. @Daniel – Are you going to respond to Gruber’s article? I’ve been waiting.

Daniel may make mistakes, but he’s honest and that’s more important. He’s also biased, but he’s openly biased so I don’t mind. So am I.

]]> By: NormM http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21664 NormM Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:22:57 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21664 Dan -- I think you're well informed and lucid more than any other tech journalist I've seen. I also think you occasionally miss something, and your UTI discussion was a bit off (to Gruber's greatly overstated delight). Gruber's main point, though, that there is a loss of programmatic functionality, is simply incorrect. An application can still set the default app using AppleScript (tell application "System Events" set default application of file theFilePath to applicationAlias). So I think both of you were a bit off on this one. Dan — I think you’re well informed and lucid more than any other tech journalist I’ve seen. I also think you occasionally miss something, and your UTI discussion was a bit off (to Gruber’s greatly overstated delight). Gruber’s main point, though, that there is a loss of programmatic functionality, is simply incorrect. An application can still set the default app using AppleScript (tell application “System Events” set default application of file theFilePath to applicationAlias). So I think both of you were a bit off on this one.

]]> By: ShabbaRanks http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21660 ShabbaRanks Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:49 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21660 Screw Grubner...or Gruber...whatever. Up the Irons! Screw Grubner…or Gruber…whatever.

Up the Irons!

]]> By: jpmrb http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21659 jpmrb Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:15:20 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21659 Ok i get it: you guys don't like each other—and the rest of us like you both. Hope one of you does not get killed! And am i the only one having blown a gasket over the typo in the title (unless iTS me instead of IT'S ME). Dan, you'll write it 50 times for tomorrow, and have it signed by Gruber too. Ok i get it: you guys don’t like each other—and the rest of us like you both. Hope one of you does not get killed!
And am i the only one having blown a gasket over the typo in the title (unless iTS me instead of IT’S ME). Dan, you’ll write it 50 times for tomorrow, and have it signed by Gruber too.

]]> By: aftershave http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/14/john-gruber-%e2%80%9ccrummy%e2%80%9d-not-to-link-to-the-source-unless-its-me/comment-page-1/#comment-21656 aftershave Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:37:22 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/?p=3871#comment-21656 My take on the issue is this. John Gruber likes to maintain a persona where he is known as a fan of the Apple platform yet at the same time has critical things to say about the company and ostensibly maintains some aura of impartiality. It is evident in his lame posts publicizing App Store rejections as if the world has ended. I believe this guarantees a wider audience for his blog. He's like the John McCain of Apple blogging – talking out of both sides of his mouth. If he were to let loose and say what's really on his mind he'd never get linked from Engadgets, and Leo Laportes of the world. He's afraid that the articles here are too toxic and harsh on competition which might hurt his credibility with hand-wringing idiots who live their lives according to the golden mean fallacy – that somehow the truth on merits between OSX vs Windows usability is somewhere in the middle. To illustrate my point, it only took a universal condemnation of Windows Mobile 6.5 by the tech press for Gruber to finally start posting barbed entries how much WiMo blows. He can't just come out and flatly declare that "WebOS is a bullshit copycat product" because somehow the "elite" tech bloggers deemed the interface to be "so much better than anything else out there." If he tells the truth it might screw up his standing with his readership. I personally read RDM because of awesome no-holds barred commentary but I'm aware of the bias, with which I am perfectly comfortable with. Sometimes it feels good to load the blog and see you punch arrogant douchebags in the mouth on the latest manufactured controversy involving minor shortcomings of OSX, iPhone or whatever else becomes the flavor de jour of the shitty tech reporting echosphere. My take on the issue is this. John Gruber likes to maintain a persona where he is known as a fan of the Apple platform yet at the same time has critical things to say about the company and ostensibly maintains some aura of impartiality. It is evident in his lame posts publicizing App Store rejections as if the world has ended. I believe this guarantees a wider audience for his blog. He’s like the John McCain of Apple blogging – talking out of both sides of his mouth.

If he were to let loose and say what’s really on his mind he’d never get linked from Engadgets, and Leo Laportes of the world.

He’s afraid that the articles here are too toxic and harsh on competition which might hurt his credibility with hand-wringing idiots who live their lives according to the golden mean fallacy – that somehow the truth on merits between OSX vs Windows usability is somewhere in the middle.

To illustrate my point, it only took a universal condemnation of Windows Mobile 6.5 by the tech press for Gruber to finally start posting barbed entries how much WiMo blows. He can’t just come out and flatly declare that “WebOS is a bullshit copycat product” because somehow the “elite” tech bloggers deemed the interface to be “so much better than anything else out there.” If he tells the truth it might screw up his standing with his readership.

I personally read RDM because of awesome no-holds barred commentary but I’m aware of the bias, with which I am perfectly comfortable with. Sometimes it feels good to load the blog and see you punch arrogant douchebags in the mouth on the latest manufactured controversy involving minor shortcomings of OSX, iPhone or whatever else becomes the flavor de jour of the shitty tech reporting echosphere.

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