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	<title>Comments on: Gartner declares Android a second place winner in 2012. Why?</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: Canalys Q3 2009: iPhone, RIM taking over smartphone market &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/08/gartner-declares-android-a-second-place-winner-in-2012-why/comment-page-1/#comment-22254</link>
		<dc:creator>Canalys Q3 2009: iPhone, RIM taking over smartphone market &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] example, Gartner recently predicted in a widely publicized report that three years from now it expected to see Symbian slipping only a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gartner&#8217;s presumptuous coronation of Android as the Windows of smartphones &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gartner&#8217;s presumptuous coronation of Android as the Windows of smartphones &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gartner declares Android a second place winner in 2012. Why? Daniel Lyons Cries Wolf: The Real Bill Gates Behind the Fake Steve Jobs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Microsoft&#8217;s backup problem blamed on Roz Ho &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft&#8217;s backup problem blamed on Roz Ho &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microsoft Develop Software for Zune HD? Microsoft uses adware model to pay for Zune HD apps Gartner declares Android a second place winner in 2012. Why? Microsoft sells restrictive new WiMo Marketplace via iPhone ads Lance Ulanoff and Robbie Bach [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Berend Schotanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berend Schotanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berend: &lt;i&gt;&quot;I do however not think there is any form of direct payment or attributable conflict of interest between Gartner and Microsoft...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The Mad Hatter: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Gartner’s being paid by Microsoft has long been documented. See articles...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ve got me on that one. Well noticed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berend: <i>&#8220;I do however not think there is any form of direct payment or attributable conflict of interest between Gartner and Microsoft&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The Mad Hatter: <i>&#8220;Gartner’s being paid by Microsoft has long been documented. See articles&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got me on that one. Well noticed!</p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Hatter</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/08/gartner-declares-android-a-second-place-winner-in-2012-why/comment-page-1/#comment-21640</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mad Hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here&#039;s someone who &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cellular-news.com/story/40054.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hasn&#039;t sold out&lt;/a&gt;. Bet Microsoft buys into their company next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here&#8217;s someone who <a href="http://www.cellular-news.com/story/40054.php" rel="nofollow">hasn&#8217;t sold out</a>. Bet Microsoft buys into their company next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Jhanso &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rooting For Microsoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jhanso &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rooting For Microsoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going and no one is disbanding any R&amp;D groups just yet. But still it is still sad to hear that Windows Mobile is dead and the Android is the only real competitor to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Mad Hatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound like ISuppli has been bought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound like ISuppli has been bought.</p>
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		<title>By: sprockkets</title>
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		<dc:creator>sprockkets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The battle over smart-phone software has spread beyond the operating systems,” Teng observed. “To win in today’s environment, a company needs not only an operating system but also device support, an application store, a broad portfolio of applications and support from the developer community. While Windows Mobile is losing some share to competitors in 2009, most of the alternatives cannot match Microsoft’s complete suite of offerings.”  - isuppli.com

LOL, nobody can match Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The battle over smart-phone software has spread beyond the operating systems,” Teng observed. “To win in today’s environment, a company needs not only an operating system but also device support, an application store, a broad portfolio of applications and support from the developer community. While Windows Mobile is losing some share to competitors in 2009, most of the alternatives cannot match Microsoft’s complete suite of offerings.”  &#8211; isuppli.com</p>
<p>LOL, nobody can match Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: gus2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>gus2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Daniel, this article got cited by Philip Elmer-DeWitt over at CNNMoney.com in his own article titled &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/10/08/the-best-analysis-money-can-buy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The best analysis money can buy&lt;/a&gt;&quot;:

&quot;Drawing on historical records and making generous use of internal Microsoft documents made public during antitrust proceedings, Dilger attacks not only Dulaney&#039;s numbers, but the credibility of the entire Gartner research group.The result is a 1,700-word screed that may be the most thorough take-down of a tech industry analyst — and his employer — since Eliot Spitzer went after Henry Blodget.&quot;

Keep calling &#039;em out, DED.  Your work is appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Daniel, this article got cited by Philip Elmer-DeWitt over at CNNMoney.com in his own article titled &#8220;<a href="http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/10/08/the-best-analysis-money-can-buy/" rel="nofollow">The best analysis money can buy</a>&#8220;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Drawing on historical records and making generous use of internal Microsoft documents made public during antitrust proceedings, Dilger attacks not only Dulaney&#8217;s numbers, but the credibility of the entire Gartner research group.The result is a 1,700-word screed that may be the most thorough take-down of a tech industry analyst — and his employer — since Eliot Spitzer went after Henry Blodget.&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep calling &#8216;em out, DED.  Your work is appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Hatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berend,

Gartner&#039;s being paid by Microsoft has long been documented. See articles:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/15/gray-myhrvold-on-linux/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This one quotes internal Microsoft documents from the Comes case&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/10/gartner-and-microsoft-collusion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This one quotes a Microsoft internal email about Gartner&lt;/a&gt;
One of the quotes I loved from this was &quot;Analysts sell out - that&#039;s their business model&quot;. Full copies of all of the Comes documents can be found at Groklaw and Boycott Novell. While the case was ongoing, the lawyers for the plaintiffs posted them to their website to pressure Microsoft, and part of the settlement was that the website be shut down. Unfortunately for Microsoft, many of us kept copies (heck, they were even available as a torrent on The Pirate Bay).

So yes, Daniel is 100% accurate with what he says about Gartner.

Sorry for posting twice, first link was broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berend,</p>
<p>Gartner&#8217;s being paid by Microsoft has long been documented. See articles:<br />
<a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/15/gray-myhrvold-on-linux/" rel="nofollow">This one quotes internal Microsoft documents from the Comes case</a><br />
<a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/10/gartner-and-microsoft-collusion/" rel="nofollow">This one quotes a Microsoft internal email about Gartner</a><br />
One of the quotes I loved from this was &#8220;Analysts sell out &#8211; that&#8217;s their business model&#8221;. Full copies of all of the Comes documents can be found at Groklaw and Boycott Novell. While the case was ongoing, the lawyers for the plaintiffs posted them to their website to pressure Microsoft, and part of the settlement was that the website be shut down. Unfortunately for Microsoft, many of us kept copies (heck, they were even available as a torrent on The Pirate Bay).</p>
<p>So yes, Daniel is 100% accurate with what he says about Gartner.</p>
<p>Sorry for posting twice, first link was broken.</p>
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