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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/22/hackers-break-iphone-push-messaging-blame-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-19363</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tardis:
That &quot;hacker&quot; is very well respected in the security / forensics field. Basically, he&#039;s shown that the encryption the the iPhone 3GS uses only prevents someone from physically removing the flash memory chip and reading it out ... because the iPhone doesn&#039;t use real filesystem encryption (like PGP&#039;s Whole Disk Encryption or TrueCrypt), a modified loader can be used to dump the whole data partition unencrypted. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wS3AMbXRLs for a demo.

@Joel:
When you jailbreak a phone (or device), all you&#039;re doing is getting full read/write access to the whole disk (in the case of the iPhone, flash memory). Unlocking is somewhat more complicated to do without the carrier&#039;s approval (and such unlocking has been declared legal in the United States).
This isn&#039;t a security flaw at all, rather people who don&#039;t know what they&#039;re doing (wannabe &quot;hackers,&quot; very different from real hackers like Jonathan Zdziarski) make a &quot;push fix&quot; easy to obtain, which then causes this problem.
Apple could have made their code verify the certificate against the device UDID or serial number, which would prevent this from ever happening ... but still, it&#039;s not Apple&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tardis:<br />
That &#8220;hacker&#8221; is very well respected in the security / forensics field. Basically, he&#8217;s shown that the encryption the the iPhone 3GS uses only prevents someone from physically removing the flash memory chip and reading it out &#8230; because the iPhone doesn&#8217;t use real filesystem encryption (like PGP&#8217;s Whole Disk Encryption or TrueCrypt), a modified loader can be used to dump the whole data partition unencrypted. See <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wS3AMbXRLs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wS3AMbXRLs</a> for a demo.</p>
<p>@Joel:<br />
When you jailbreak a phone (or device), all you&#8217;re doing is getting full read/write access to the whole disk (in the case of the iPhone, flash memory). Unlocking is somewhat more complicated to do without the carrier&#8217;s approval (and such unlocking has been declared legal in the United States).<br />
This isn&#8217;t a security flaw at all, rather people who don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re doing (wannabe &#8220;hackers,&#8221; very different from real hackers like Jonathan Zdziarski) make a &#8220;push fix&#8221; easy to obtain, which then causes this problem.<br />
Apple could have made their code verify the certificate against the device UDID or serial number, which would prevent this from ever happening &#8230; but still, it&#8217;s not Apple&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phonees may be unlocked by carriers. Jailbreaking is when you do this counter to the carriers intentions.

I think Dan is trying to pre-empt stories like this one in the trashy El Reg.

&#039;And although the problem appears only on hacked iPhones, it appears to be rooted in a security flaw in the Apple implementation of the Push notification system, according to Schadde. &quot;There appears to be something hackable in the notification,&quot; he said.&quot;&#039;
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/push_notification_vuln/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phonees may be unlocked by carriers. Jailbreaking is when you do this counter to the carriers intentions.</p>
<p>I think Dan is trying to pre-empt stories like this one in the trashy El Reg.</p>
<p>&#8216;And although the problem appears only on hacked iPhones, it appears to be rooted in a security flaw in the Apple implementation of the Push notification system, according to Schadde. &#8220;There appears to be something hackable in the notification,&#8221; he said.&#8221;&#8216;<br />
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/push_notification_vuln/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/push_notification_vuln/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tardis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when Wired http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone-encryption/ reports that &quot;Hacker Says iPhone 3GS Encryption Is ‘Useless’ for Businesses&quot; is the &quot;hacker&quot; showing off a real iPhone or a &quot;hacked&quot; iPhone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when Wired <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone-encryption/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone-encryption/</a> reports that &#8220;Hacker Says iPhone 3GS Encryption Is ‘Useless’ for Businesses&#8221; is the &#8220;hacker&#8221; showing off a real iPhone or a &#8220;hacked&#8221; iPhone?</p>
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		<title>By: d235j.1</title>
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		<dc:creator>d235j.1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, my point is that the real hackers know what this does, and are not blaming Apple at all. But some who didn&#039;t know as much put the risky, unfinished tools in easy reach, and of course people got burned...and then Apple is blamed.

This is a great place, though the old articles (and series ...will the 404 errors ever be fixed?) are still some of the best anywhere.

Personally, I use Apple products when I can, and Linux elsewhere. It annoys me that many in the &quot;free software&quot; movement think of Apple as another M$ ... sure, I don&#039;t like DRM and don&#039;t think Apple should have interfered with iPod Hash [they do have every right to block the Pre though], but those are just minor issues compared to the bigger picture.

--Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, my point is that the real hackers know what this does, and are not blaming Apple at all. But some who didn&#8217;t know as much put the risky, unfinished tools in easy reach, and of course people got burned&#8230;and then Apple is blamed.</p>
<p>This is a great place, though the old articles (and series &#8230;will the 404 errors ever be fixed?) are still some of the best anywhere.</p>
<p>Personally, I use Apple products when I can, and Linux elsewhere. It annoys me that many in the &#8220;free software&#8221; movement think of Apple as another M$ &#8230; sure, I don&#8217;t like DRM and don&#8217;t think Apple should have interfered with iPod Hash [they do have every right to block the Pre though], but those are just minor issues compared to the bigger picture.</p>
<p>&#8211;Dave</p>
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		<title>By: enzos</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/22/hackers-break-iphone-push-messaging-blame-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-19357</link>
		<dc:creator>enzos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is called Roughly Drafted, after all.. David(?), and I&#039;m sure Dan doesn&#039;t mind being corrected on the basis of fact (as you seem to have), as opposed to opinion or rhetoric. (my $0.02 worth)
Gratuitous remarks: I like and value this place because I delight in using Apple products and their stream of ideas, abhor the pernicious influence of M$ and its shills, enjoy a bit of good-natured jousting among grown ups (unlike with AI, etc.!) and (as much as a non geek can) like to keep up to date on gizmo happenings. (another  $0.02 worth)
Cheerz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is called Roughly Drafted, after all.. David(?), and I&#8217;m sure Dan doesn&#8217;t mind being corrected on the basis of fact (as you seem to have), as opposed to opinion or rhetoric. (my $0.02 worth)<br />
Gratuitous remarks: I like and value this place because I delight in using Apple products and their stream of ideas, abhor the pernicious influence of M$ and its shills, enjoy a bit of good-natured jousting among grown ups (unlike with AI, etc.!) and (as much as a non geek can) like to keep up to date on gizmo happenings. (another  $0.02 worth)<br />
Cheerz</p>
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		<title>By: d235j.1</title>
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		<dc:creator>d235j.1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@danieleran:

You&#039;ve got it a bit wrong. What actually happened is as follows:
Push messaging doesn&#039;t work on phones that aren&#039;t officially activated. (A jailbroken or unlocked phone may very well be officially activated though, mine is. [I&#039;m an AT&amp;T customer anyway.]) This is because the initial handshake with Apple, when the certificates necessary for Push to function are copied to the phone, never takes place.
So, the hackers released a program that allows a user to copy the certificates from one jailbroken phone (officially activated) to another (unofficially activated). This was labeled as a &quot;preliminary workaround,&quot; and absolutely not final in any way. [This was released via Twitter, http://bit.ly/ZwAMM]
Later, different people took their own certificate (or maybe someone else&#039;s), packaged it with the tool that&#039;s used to copy the certificate back onto the phone, and put it on the major repositories. This is what caused all these problems.

In any instance, you can have an unlocked and jailbroken phone that works properly without this problem at all ... it only becomes a problem when the phone isn&#039;t activated properly.

Dan, please be more careful next time. I usually enjoy reading your articles, but something of this quality isn&#039;t acceptable by my standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@danieleran:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got it a bit wrong. What actually happened is as follows:<br />
Push messaging doesn&#8217;t work on phones that aren&#8217;t officially activated. (A jailbroken or unlocked phone may very well be officially activated though, mine is. [I'm an AT&amp;T customer anyway.]) This is because the initial handshake with Apple, when the certificates necessary for Push to function are copied to the phone, never takes place.<br />
So, the hackers released a program that allows a user to copy the certificates from one jailbroken phone (officially activated) to another (unofficially activated). This was labeled as a &#8220;preliminary workaround,&#8221; and absolutely not final in any way. [This was released via Twitter, <a href="http://bit.ly/ZwAMM" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/ZwAMM</a><br />
Later, different people took their own certificate (or maybe someone else&#8217;s), packaged it with the tool that&#8217;s used to copy the certificate back onto the phone, and put it on the major repositories. This is what caused all these problems.</p>
<p>In any instance, you can have an unlocked and jailbroken phone that works properly without this problem at all &#8230; it only becomes a problem when the phone isn&#8217;t activated properly.</p>
<p>Dan, please be more careful next time. I usually enjoy reading your articles, but something of this quality isn&#8217;t acceptable by my standards.</p>
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		<title>By: greendave</title>
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		<dc:creator>greendave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... such as Betanews reports (via The Loop) that according to market research firm NPD, Apple claimed 91% of the revenue market share for computers costing $1,000 or more in June.

And follow it up with some research in Apple&#039;s real share of the personal computer computer market after you take away all the massive corporate PC  purchases from the figures.

Or the estimate that Apple has 20% share of the worldwide mobile phone profits in the last F1/4. 

I found those a bit more interesting that whether &#039;a story&#039; incorrectly implied a fault with the iPhone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. such as Betanews reports (via The Loop) that according to market research firm NPD, Apple claimed 91% of the revenue market share for computers costing $1,000 or more in June.</p>
<p>And follow it up with some research in Apple&#8217;s real share of the personal computer computer market after you take away all the massive corporate PC  purchases from the figures.</p>
<p>Or the estimate that Apple has 20% share of the worldwide mobile phone profits in the last F1/4. </p>
<p>I found those a bit more interesting that whether &#8216;a story&#8217; incorrectly implied a fault with the iPhone!</p>
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		<title>By: greendave</title>
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		<dc:creator>greendave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, what are you doing?  You seen to be getting paranoid about anything anti-Apple.  First your Brett Arends rant and now you blog a reference to &quot;a variety of sources&quot; publishing &quot;a story&quot; and then unjustly slap down Gwydion.

There are many, many articles about Apple with factual  inaccuracies written from highly uninformed viewpoints (try reading the guardian.co.uk tech column!) - you need to rise above trying to slam them all - like Apple itself does.  It just isn&#039;t fun to read blogs that spend their time moaning and complaining about the failings of others - it isn&#039;t big and it isn&#039;t clever.  

Please write something informative and interesting for us - I can form my own judgements on other people&#039;s columns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, what are you doing?  You seen to be getting paranoid about anything anti-Apple.  First your Brett Arends rant and now you blog a reference to &#8220;a variety of sources&#8221; publishing &#8220;a story&#8221; and then unjustly slap down Gwydion.</p>
<p>There are many, many articles about Apple with factual  inaccuracies written from highly uninformed viewpoints (try reading the guardian.co.uk tech column!) &#8211; you need to rise above trying to slam them all &#8211; like Apple itself does.  It just isn&#8217;t fun to read blogs that spend their time moaning and complaining about the failings of others &#8211; it isn&#8217;t big and it isn&#8217;t clever.  </p>
<p>Please write something informative and interesting for us &#8211; I can form my own judgements on other people&#8217;s columns.</p>
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		<title>By: Tardis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at Til Schadde&#039;s Twits again, it appears possible that the quoted part should read: 

“While a variety of sources …. in reality this exploit affects only iChat messages sent to users who have hacked their phone and made it vulnerable. As a result of the hack, a message sent to any hacked iPhone is also sent to all users of iPhones which have been hacked by the same exploit.”

Does anyone know of a random legitimate user who has received such a message? 

If not, and if a chat message goes to all users because the &quot;hack&quot; has the same user credentials every time, that is surely just what every user of the hack deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at Til Schadde&#8217;s Twits again, it appears possible that the quoted part should read: </p>
<p>“While a variety of sources …. in reality this exploit affects only iChat messages sent to users who have hacked their phone and made it vulnerable. As a result of the hack, a message sent to any hacked iPhone is also sent to all users of iPhones which have been hacked by the same exploit.”</p>
<p>Does anyone know of a random legitimate user who has received such a message? </p>
<p>If not, and if a chat message goes to all users because the &#8220;hack&#8221; has the same user credentials every time, that is surely just what every user of the hack deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: Tardis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, your AI article starts &quot;While a variety of sources ....  in reality this exploit affects only users who have hacked their phone and made it vulnerable.&quot;

Looking at what Til Schadde actually said, I think this should read &quot;While a variety of sources ....  in reality this exploit affects only iChat messages sent to users who have hacked their phone and made it vulnerable, meanwhile also sending copies of the message to random legitimate iPhone users.&quot;

I have not seen enough to know whether these &quot;random strangers&quot; all continue to receive copies of messages sent to a single hacked iPhone, a number of hacked iPhones or that copies of messages are sent to a different random stranger every time.

The problem is that Till Schadde himself is suspect, since he acknowledges he has friends who have &quot;hacked&quot; iPhones he sends the messages to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, your AI article starts &#8220;While a variety of sources &#8230;.  in reality this exploit affects only users who have hacked their phone and made it vulnerable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking at what Til Schadde actually said, I think this should read &#8220;While a variety of sources &#8230;.  in reality this exploit affects only iChat messages sent to users who have hacked their phone and made it vulnerable, meanwhile also sending copies of the message to random legitimate iPhone users.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have not seen enough to know whether these &#8220;random strangers&#8221; all continue to receive copies of messages sent to a single hacked iPhone, a number of hacked iPhones or that copies of messages are sent to a different random stranger every time.</p>
<p>The problem is that Till Schadde himself is suspect, since he acknowledges he has friends who have &#8220;hacked&#8221; iPhones he sends the messages to.</p>
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