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		<title>By: Reality Check: Apple TV isn&#8217;t turning into a TV &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality Check: Apple TV isn&#8217;t turning into a TV &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How Apple TV can score at the big 3.0 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Realty Check: Apple TV isn&#8217;t turning into a TV &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realty Check: Apple TV isn&#8217;t turning into a TV &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How Apple TV can score at the big 3.0 Such a product would be hard to beat, given its low cost and deep integration with iTunes. Google still has nothing like iTunes, which is why Android has nothing like the iPod touch. By making a “headless touch,” Apple could extend its coverage to the TV, enabling it to recycle its investment into Apple TV as a Mac feature. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How Apple TV can score at the big 3.0 Such a product would be hard to beat, given its low cost and deep integration with iTunes. Google still has nothing like iTunes, which is why Android has nothing like the iPod touch. By making a “headless touch,” Apple could extend its coverage to the TV, enabling it to recycle its investment into Apple TV as a Mac feature. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Inside Mac OS X Snow Leopard: QuickTime X &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inside Mac OS X Snow Leopard: QuickTime X &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about Apple TV 3.0? There could be more information on that in the coming iPod event on September 9, but it&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Apple befragt Apple-TV-Besitzer &#124; Sothink Space</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple befragt Apple-TV-Besitzer &#124; Sothink Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wie ein Apple TV 2 aussehen sollte, ist ein Thema, über das sich einige den Kopf zerbrechen. Einige fordern den Einbau eines DVD- oder Blu-ray-Laufwerks, was Apple aber wegen dem iTunes Store sicher nicht machen wird, auch wenn nur in den wenigsten Ländern Filme online verkauft werden. US-Analysten würden gerne eine DVR-Funktionalität im Apple TV sehen, mit TV-Tuner. Doch auch in den USA gibt es mehr als einen Verbreitungsweg für Fernsehsignale. Es würde zudem der Philosophie Apples widersprechen, das Gerät möglichst unverändert weltweit zu verkaufen. Manche fordern gar einen App Store für den Apple TV. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wie ein Apple TV 2 aussehen sollte, ist ein Thema, über das sich einige den Kopf zerbrechen. Einige fordern den Einbau eines DVD- oder Blu-ray-Laufwerks, was Apple aber wegen dem iTunes Store sicher nicht machen wird, auch wenn nur in den wenigsten Ländern Filme online verkauft werden. US-Analysten würden gerne eine DVR-Funktionalität im Apple TV sehen, mit TV-Tuner. Doch auch in den USA gibt es mehr als einen Verbreitungsweg für Fernsehsignale. Es würde zudem der Philosophie Apples widersprechen, das Gerät möglichst unverändert weltweit zu verkaufen. Manche fordern gar einen App Store für den Apple TV. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DavidJHupp</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidJHupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I don&#039;t get the correlation between buying music on the iTMS and buying video content on the iTMS. While one will most likely listen to one&#039;s music over and over, most will only watch video content a few times.

I don&#039;t see the point of building a massive back-collection of video content, most of which one will never watch again, as compared to something like an unlimited Netflix subscription. My hard disk space is much more valuable than that. Streaming makes much more sense in a &quot;watch it once&quot; scenario, whereas with music it&#039;s more a question of battery life.

(Maybe the reason Real&#039;s Rhapsody isn&#039;t very popular is because people just really, really f***ing hate RealNetworks, not because streaming is inherently flawed. I mean, look how much people love Pandora.)

On a different note, it seems somewhat specious that people would rail against the Amazon Kindle&#039;s a-la-carte sales model (most people only read each book once), when the same argument also explains why iTunes video sales are so much slower than iTunes music sales.

It just seems that iTunes video is overpriced compared to say Netflix: I can buy spend $30-50 buying each season of a show I&#039;m going to watch only once, then have a large chunk of my hard drive used up, or burn the videos on expensive DVD-Rs. Or I could spend like $13 a month, and watch the show on Netflix. Or I could just watch it on Netflix, et al for free.

The iTunes video sales model just seems ill-suited to anything more than occasional usage, given how overpriced and storage intensive it is, and you can&#039;t even re-download content.

While $0.99 for a song is a good deal (if you listen to your favorite song dozens of times, you&#039;re getting a lot more than 4 minutes of entertainment out of a 4 minute song), $1.99-2.99 for something I&#039;m only going to watch once or maybe twice seems like comparatively a very bad deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I don&#8217;t get the correlation between buying music on the iTMS and buying video content on the iTMS. While one will most likely listen to one&#8217;s music over and over, most will only watch video content a few times.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the point of building a massive back-collection of video content, most of which one will never watch again, as compared to something like an unlimited Netflix subscription. My hard disk space is much more valuable than that. Streaming makes much more sense in a &#8220;watch it once&#8221; scenario, whereas with music it&#8217;s more a question of battery life.</p>
<p>(Maybe the reason Real&#8217;s Rhapsody isn&#8217;t very popular is because people just really, really f***ing hate RealNetworks, not because streaming is inherently flawed. I mean, look how much people love Pandora.)</p>
<p>On a different note, it seems somewhat specious that people would rail against the Amazon Kindle&#8217;s a-la-carte sales model (most people only read each book once), when the same argument also explains why iTunes video sales are so much slower than iTunes music sales.</p>
<p>It just seems that iTunes video is overpriced compared to say Netflix: I can buy spend $30-50 buying each season of a show I&#8217;m going to watch only once, then have a large chunk of my hard drive used up, or burn the videos on expensive DVD-Rs. Or I could spend like $13 a month, and watch the show on Netflix. Or I could just watch it on Netflix, et al for free.</p>
<p>The iTunes video sales model just seems ill-suited to anything more than occasional usage, given how overpriced and storage intensive it is, and you can&#8217;t even re-download content.</p>
<p>While $0.99 for a song is a good deal (if you listen to your favorite song dozens of times, you&#8217;re getting a lot more than 4 minutes of entertainment out of a 4 minute song), $1.99-2.99 for something I&#8217;m only going to watch once or maybe twice seems like comparatively a very bad deal.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidJHupp</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidJHupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,

I find it interesting that no one has made an obvious connection to AT&amp;T&#039;s U-Verse IPTV service, given Apple&#039;s existing relationship with AT&amp;T.

AT&amp;T&#039;s U-Verse television essentially works with just a ethernet-connected broadband box, so it would be relatively easy for AT&amp;T and Apple to support U-Verse content with a simple software upgrade. This would make a lot more sense than say adding CableCard to the AppleTV, which would be very much US-specific technology (CDMA iPhone?). This would also make sense given that AT&amp;T has publicly stated that they are interested in releasing U-Verse related apps on the App Store.

On the other hand, I think Apple could easily remedy any perceived shortcomings of the AppleTV by releasing an SDK, a-la-iPhone, perhaps with USB peripheral access. This way all of the following could be added:

-optical drive via usb, possibly an official add-on (I don&#039;t know if USB 2.0 has enough bandwidth for Blu-Ray, possibly USB 3.0 when it comes out, but that would require a hardware revision).
-Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Pandora, et al.
-U-Verse (AT&amp;T-published App would obviously be US-only, although I could see AT&amp;T possibly offering it in non-AT&amp;T-landline locales)
-Bittorrent (though I&#039;m suspicious that Apple wouldn&#039;t let this into the App Store)
-EyeTV support for those who absolutely must have a QAM/ATSC/DVB DVR, maybe HDHomeRun if Apple doesn&#039;t allow USB access.
-etc.,etc.

In this way Apple would be able to turn the AppleTV into a convergence device much like the iPhone, without a direct investment in each niche market on Apple&#039;s part. Additionally, Apple could add more first-party middle-ware, like PIM/MobileMe and Safari, etc. if they saw fit.

The AppleTV&#039;s App Store would neatly dovetail into the existing and vastly growing iPhone software market, with App developers tying in their software across the two devices, much like Apple offers their AppleTV Remote for iPhone.

Actually, I would be very surprised if Apple does not eventually offer an SDK and App Store for the AppleTV, as it would be an additional revenue stream for them, and would make the device infinitely more attractive to consumers.

(Disclaimer: I had AT&amp;T U-Verse Television for a few months and was very impressed by it, but I ended up canceling in favor of ATSC on TiVo and Netflix Watch Instantly.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>I find it interesting that no one has made an obvious connection to AT&amp;T&#8217;s U-Verse IPTV service, given Apple&#8217;s existing relationship with AT&amp;T.</p>
<p>AT&amp;T&#8217;s U-Verse television essentially works with just a ethernet-connected broadband box, so it would be relatively easy for AT&amp;T and Apple to support U-Verse content with a simple software upgrade. This would make a lot more sense than say adding CableCard to the AppleTV, which would be very much US-specific technology (CDMA iPhone?). This would also make sense given that AT&amp;T has publicly stated that they are interested in releasing U-Verse related apps on the App Store.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think Apple could easily remedy any perceived shortcomings of the AppleTV by releasing an SDK, a-la-iPhone, perhaps with USB peripheral access. This way all of the following could be added:</p>
<p>-optical drive via usb, possibly an official add-on (I don&#8217;t know if USB 2.0 has enough bandwidth for Blu-Ray, possibly USB 3.0 when it comes out, but that would require a hardware revision).<br />
-Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Pandora, et al.<br />
-U-Verse (AT&amp;T-published App would obviously be US-only, although I could see AT&amp;T possibly offering it in non-AT&amp;T-landline locales)<br />
-Bittorrent (though I&#8217;m suspicious that Apple wouldn&#8217;t let this into the App Store)<br />
-EyeTV support for those who absolutely must have a QAM/ATSC/DVB DVR, maybe HDHomeRun if Apple doesn&#8217;t allow USB access.<br />
-etc.,etc.</p>
<p>In this way Apple would be able to turn the AppleTV into a convergence device much like the iPhone, without a direct investment in each niche market on Apple&#8217;s part. Additionally, Apple could add more first-party middle-ware, like PIM/MobileMe and Safari, etc. if they saw fit.</p>
<p>The AppleTV&#8217;s App Store would neatly dovetail into the existing and vastly growing iPhone software market, with App developers tying in their software across the two devices, much like Apple offers their AppleTV Remote for iPhone.</p>
<p>Actually, I would be very surprised if Apple does not eventually offer an SDK and App Store for the AppleTV, as it would be an additional revenue stream for them, and would make the device infinitely more attractive to consumers.</p>
<p>(Disclaimer: I had AT&amp;T U-Verse Television for a few months and was very impressed by it, but I ended up canceling in favor of ATSC on TiVo and Netflix Watch Instantly.)</p>
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		<title>By: dickdotcom</title>
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		<dc:creator>dickdotcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an apple TV and it is excellent - re your suggestion for adding Hulu support - in the UK adding support for the bbc iPlayer would make fantastic sense ... the iPlayer is an incredible driver for online video and currently works on the iPhone ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an apple TV and it is excellent &#8211; re your suggestion for adding Hulu support &#8211; in the UK adding support for the bbc iPlayer would make fantastic sense &#8230; the iPlayer is an incredible driver for online video and currently works on the iPhone &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mattw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m right there with you on the need for an Apple TV SDK.  That might be the most interesting potential feature.  Games, Hulu &amp; other web video; could be really cool.   Also agree with you that they should not do an optical disk drive. I kind of disagree on the TV tuner/DVR aspect though, or at least think there is more to the other side of the argument than you acknowledge.  There are many reasons I say this:  there is still lots of content that&#039;s not available on iTunes (Conan O&#039;Brien is a standout); $3 a pop for a TV show is just too much;  certain programming that just doesn&#039;t lend itself to the iTunes store, e.g., sporting events; sometimes I just want to channel surf, and not pay buy the minute with my credit card to watch shows.  Don&#039;t get me wrong I hate cable companies as much as the next guy with their ghetto-ass rushed to market set top boxes, and their d*mn bundling with phone services that I don&#039;t want, and lack of any innovation and reliance on their monopoly.  I admire Apple&#039;s attempt to out flank them with the apple tv and the iTunes downloads, but I think that people don&#039;t want to buy their tv shows.  They want to own their music (cause you can listen to a song 200 times), they want to rent their movies (cause you only need to watch them once), and they want to get their tv shows in bulk/subscription/over-cable cause tv shows just don&#039;t have the worth of movies.  The only thing that would eliminate the need for a tv tuner would be the web video thing taking off.  If the networks could get it together technically, and get APIs out to fetch and interact with their content.  

Interesting that you wrote this article only a week before apple put out a survey asking for customer feedback on the apple tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m right there with you on the need for an Apple TV SDK.  That might be the most interesting potential feature.  Games, Hulu &amp; other web video; could be really cool.   Also agree with you that they should not do an optical disk drive. I kind of disagree on the TV tuner/DVR aspect though, or at least think there is more to the other side of the argument than you acknowledge.  There are many reasons I say this:  there is still lots of content that&#8217;s not available on iTunes (Conan O&#8217;Brien is a standout); $3 a pop for a TV show is just too much;  certain programming that just doesn&#8217;t lend itself to the iTunes store, e.g., sporting events; sometimes I just want to channel surf, and not pay buy the minute with my credit card to watch shows.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong I hate cable companies as much as the next guy with their ghetto-ass rushed to market set top boxes, and their d*mn bundling with phone services that I don&#8217;t want, and lack of any innovation and reliance on their monopoly.  I admire Apple&#8217;s attempt to out flank them with the apple tv and the iTunes downloads, but I think that people don&#8217;t want to buy their tv shows.  They want to own their music (cause you can listen to a song 200 times), they want to rent their movies (cause you only need to watch them once), and they want to get their tv shows in bulk/subscription/over-cable cause tv shows just don&#8217;t have the worth of movies.  The only thing that would eliminate the need for a tv tuner would be the web video thing taking off.  If the networks could get it together technically, and get APIs out to fetch and interact with their content.  </p>
<p>Interesting that you wrote this article only a week before apple put out a survey asking for customer feedback on the apple tv.</p>
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		<title>By: Apple survey to help shape future of Apple TV &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple survey to help shape future of Apple TV &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: macslut</title>
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		<dc:creator>macslut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would buy an Apple TV if it had:
1) DVD/Blu-ray
2) DVR functionality
3) Codec plugins
4) iPod dock

Price is almost not even a factor.

There is a ton of broadcast content that&#039;s not available on iTunes.  I&#039;d love to be able to DVR it, and then watch it on TV or dock my iPhone and transfer it directly.  Even the stuff that is available on iTunes, I&#039;d hate to have to buy it when I already get it for free via cable, but the Apple TV can&#039;t DVR it...and my TiVo is a hassle to transfer to my iPhone.  I&#039;m sure the Apple interface would be better than the TiVo interface, and it enables me to get rid of a box in my cabinet.

Blu-ray would be a welcome addition too.  The Nintendo Wii analogy doesn&#039;t fit.  First, I know a ton of people bought Playstations in part because of the ability to play DVD/Blu-ray.  It helped in the decision.  Secondly, the Wii *is* for playing games as stated in the article, but the Apple TV *is* for play audio/video content.  It will appeal to everyone who will know that this device can play anything on your TV whether it&#039;s from cable, DVD, Blu-ray, or downloaded from iTunes.  

The open codec architecture of course enables it to play pirated content, but also enables it to play any other format...like from various video recorders and things that are legally downloaded from other sources.  More importantly, opening the platform up for development would go a really long way.  

The way I see this is that Apple could continue to sell a low-end Apple TV  which is the Apple TV 3.0 mentioned in this article, but then also sell a higher end Apple TV that was really a Mac mini with additional features.

They could strike a deal with Comcast that was similar to the deal with AT&amp;T, and the device becomes *very* appealing at multiple price points and feature sets.

It&#039;s also a great time to evangelize developers for the platform.

As it stands now, Apple is competing against DVD, Blu-ray, Cable, TiVo, Netflix, Amazon, piracy, and all of the set top boxes.

Imagine how the iPod would&#039;ve done if Apple declared the CD was dead and only enabled the iPod to play DRM tracks downloaded from iTunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would buy an Apple TV if it had:<br />
1) DVD/Blu-ray<br />
2) DVR functionality<br />
3) Codec plugins<br />
4) iPod dock</p>
<p>Price is almost not even a factor.</p>
<p>There is a ton of broadcast content that&#8217;s not available on iTunes.  I&#8217;d love to be able to DVR it, and then watch it on TV or dock my iPhone and transfer it directly.  Even the stuff that is available on iTunes, I&#8217;d hate to have to buy it when I already get it for free via cable, but the Apple TV can&#8217;t DVR it&#8230;and my TiVo is a hassle to transfer to my iPhone.  I&#8217;m sure the Apple interface would be better than the TiVo interface, and it enables me to get rid of a box in my cabinet.</p>
<p>Blu-ray would be a welcome addition too.  The Nintendo Wii analogy doesn&#8217;t fit.  First, I know a ton of people bought Playstations in part because of the ability to play DVD/Blu-ray.  It helped in the decision.  Secondly, the Wii *is* for playing games as stated in the article, but the Apple TV *is* for play audio/video content.  It will appeal to everyone who will know that this device can play anything on your TV whether it&#8217;s from cable, DVD, Blu-ray, or downloaded from iTunes.  </p>
<p>The open codec architecture of course enables it to play pirated content, but also enables it to play any other format&#8230;like from various video recorders and things that are legally downloaded from other sources.  More importantly, opening the platform up for development would go a really long way.  </p>
<p>The way I see this is that Apple could continue to sell a low-end Apple TV  which is the Apple TV 3.0 mentioned in this article, but then also sell a higher end Apple TV that was really a Mac mini with additional features.</p>
<p>They could strike a deal with Comcast that was similar to the deal with AT&amp;T, and the device becomes *very* appealing at multiple price points and feature sets.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a great time to evangelize developers for the platform.</p>
<p>As it stands now, Apple is competing against DVD, Blu-ray, Cable, TiVo, Netflix, Amazon, piracy, and all of the set top boxes.</p>
<p>Imagine how the iPod would&#8217;ve done if Apple declared the CD was dead and only enabled the iPod to play DRM tracks downloaded from iTunes.</p>
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