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	<title>Comments on: Windows 7 vs. Snow Leopard: Microsoft&#8217;s comeback plan</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: appleseed.as</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/22/windows-7-vs-snow-leopard-microsofts-comeback-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-16844</link>
		<dc:creator>appleseed.as</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its still funny that you cannot &quot;unpin&quot; an object with mere drag and drop in current betas and you still have to right click.

Also, can anyone in their right mind tell me how is faster to drag windows around in order to maximize/restore and to have windows ONLY vertical side by side with the mouse instead of using double click for maximize/restore and right click on &quot;superbar&quot; then vertical and/or horizontal side by side PLUS the ability to do those actions 200% faster by using the keyboard (Windows key+arrow keys)?

And at last some time in 2009 we will be able to hide all applications except our focused one by shaking its title bar. WOW. Really WOW. I can hide other apps in Windows except the one I need NOW. YOOHOO!

I guess Microsoft just discovered drag and drop and doesn&#039;t know how to handle its UI implementations. Hey but at least flip 3d is still there. Whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its still funny that you cannot &#8220;unpin&#8221; an object with mere drag and drop in current betas and you still have to right click.</p>
<p>Also, can anyone in their right mind tell me how is faster to drag windows around in order to maximize/restore and to have windows ONLY vertical side by side with the mouse instead of using double click for maximize/restore and right click on &#8220;superbar&#8221; then vertical and/or horizontal side by side PLUS the ability to do those actions 200% faster by using the keyboard (Windows key+arrow keys)?</p>
<p>And at last some time in 2009 we will be able to hide all applications except our focused one by shaking its title bar. WOW. Really WOW. I can hide other apps in Windows except the one I need NOW. YOOHOO!</p>
<p>I guess Microsoft just discovered drag and drop and doesn&#8217;t know how to handle its UI implementations. Hey but at least flip 3d is still there. Whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Hatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that Microsoft&#039;s dock is less capable than Apple&#039;s, and for that matter less capable than the one that is available in many Linux/BSD distributions (and also a lot latter, Apple had it in 2001, and Mandriva Linux had some time before 2005).

&lt;blockquote&gt;

    Daniel wrote:
    “not the stripped down Home Basic version users will find on their new PCs from Costco and Walmart.”

    That is an exaggeration. Most new consumer PCs, like 90% or more, are loaded with Vista Home Premium or Vista Home Premium 64-bit and have 3GB-4GB or RAM. So even though there are 6 versions of Vista, OEMs push only one version to the majority of consumers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t know Beanie, I&#039;ve seen a lot of cheap machines in computer stores in Canada, with Vista Home Basic. The US market of course may be different.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Beta users are pretty happy wit Windows 7. And these is not MS shills. So I guess MS may regain some lost ground and atleast prevent a mass exodus from Windows. Could not find report s of it running on the sub-notebooks like eeePC. If MS manages to squeeze Win-7 onto a sub-notebook footprint, it may have a winner on its hands.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ajay, I can&#039;t think of a time when Beta users didn&#039;t like the new Windows. The problem with this is, that those who install and run the new Beta of any software, are usually fans, pretty knowledgeable about the product, and capable of working around problems. Joe Average on the other hand will likely have problems. For example I&#039;m running Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha 3 (it just auto upgraded from Alpha 2) on my Acer laptop. I had no problems installing it, but I&#039;ve run damned near every personal computer desktop operating system since DOS 2.0 was the hot new thing. 

Except Vista, my computers are now a Microsoft free zone, too many problems over the years with Windows. OSX, BSD, Solaris, and Linux are a hell of a lot more stable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Microsoft&#8217;s dock is less capable than Apple&#8217;s, and for that matter less capable than the one that is available in many Linux/BSD distributions (and also a lot latter, Apple had it in 2001, and Mandriva Linux had some time before 2005).</p>
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<p>    Daniel wrote:<br />
    “not the stripped down Home Basic version users will find on their new PCs from Costco and Walmart.”</p>
<p>    That is an exaggeration. Most new consumer PCs, like 90% or more, are loaded with Vista Home Premium or Vista Home Premium 64-bit and have 3GB-4GB or RAM. So even though there are 6 versions of Vista, OEMs push only one version to the majority of consumers.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Beanie, I&#8217;ve seen a lot of cheap machines in computer stores in Canada, with Vista Home Basic. The US market of course may be different.</p>
<blockquote><p>Beta users are pretty happy wit Windows 7. And these is not MS shills. So I guess MS may regain some lost ground and atleast prevent a mass exodus from Windows. Could not find report s of it running on the sub-notebooks like eeePC. If MS manages to squeeze Win-7 onto a sub-notebook footprint, it may have a winner on its hands.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ajay, I can&#8217;t think of a time when Beta users didn&#8217;t like the new Windows. The problem with this is, that those who install and run the new Beta of any software, are usually fans, pretty knowledgeable about the product, and capable of working around problems. Joe Average on the other hand will likely have problems. For example I&#8217;m running Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha 3 (it just auto upgraded from Alpha 2) on my Acer laptop. I had no problems installing it, but I&#8217;ve run damned near every personal computer desktop operating system since DOS 2.0 was the hot new thing. </p>
<p>Except Vista, my computers are now a Microsoft free zone, too many problems over the years with Windows. OSX, BSD, Solaris, and Linux are a hell of a lot more stable.</p>
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		<title>By: beanie</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/22/windows-7-vs-snow-leopard-microsofts-comeback-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-16808</link>
		<dc:creator>beanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel wrote:
&quot;not the stripped down Home Basic version users will find on their new PCs from Costco and Walmart.&quot;

That is an exaggeration.  Most new consumer PCs, like 90% or more, are loaded with Vista Home Premium or Vista Home Premium 64-bit and have 3GB-4GB or RAM.  So even though there are 6 versions of Vista, OEMs push only one version to the majority of consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel wrote:<br />
&#8220;not the stripped down Home Basic version users will find on their new PCs from Costco and Walmart.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is an exaggeration.  Most new consumer PCs, like 90% or more, are loaded with Vista Home Premium or Vista Home Premium 64-bit and have 3GB-4GB or RAM.  So even though there are 6 versions of Vista, OEMs push only one version to the majority of consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beta users are pretty happy wit Windows 7. And these is not MS shills. So I guess MS may regain some lost ground and atleast prevent a mass exodus from Windows. Could not find report s of it running on the sub-notebooks like eeePC. If MS manages to squeeze Win-7 onto a sub-notebook footprint, it may have a winner on its hands.

Saw reports on BBC of a windows worm that has spread to about 10 million PCs. It didn&#039;t say anything about Vista being insulated, so I guess all the security in Vista could not stop the worm from breaking Windows again.

Dan, you should have a write up on economic crisis and how it is playing out on MS and Apple. Reports are that MS is hit where it hurts most, in Enterprise segment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beta users are pretty happy wit Windows 7. And these is not MS shills. So I guess MS may regain some lost ground and atleast prevent a mass exodus from Windows. Could not find report s of it running on the sub-notebooks like eeePC. If MS manages to squeeze Win-7 onto a sub-notebook footprint, it may have a winner on its hands.</p>
<p>Saw reports on BBC of a windows worm that has spread to about 10 million PCs. It didn&#8217;t say anything about Vista being insulated, so I guess all the security in Vista could not stop the worm from breaking Windows again.</p>
<p>Dan, you should have a write up on economic crisis and how it is playing out on MS and Apple. Reports are that MS is hit where it hurts most, in Enterprise segment.</p>
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		<title>By: daGUY</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/22/windows-7-vs-snow-leopard-microsofts-comeback-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-16787</link>
		<dc:creator>daGUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One final note (sorry for spamming the comments thread, lol) - I find it really weird how they advertise the *removal* of apps from Windows as a feature. Straight from the site:

&quot;With Windows 7, some features previously included in the operating system are now available for download through Windows Live Essentials, a set of free applications available for your PC and supported by Windows 7.&quot;

And that&#039;s the only selling point that they list. So it&#039;s a *feature* that you can re-download the same apps that used to come included on your computer? WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One final note (sorry for spamming the comments thread, lol) &#8211; I find it really weird how they advertise the *removal* of apps from Windows as a feature. Straight from the site:</p>
<p>&#8220;With Windows 7, some features previously included in the operating system are now available for download through Windows Live Essentials, a set of free applications available for your PC and supported by Windows 7.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the only selling point that they list. So it&#8217;s a *feature* that you can re-download the same apps that used to come included on your computer? WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: daGUY</title>
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		<dc:creator>daGUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, what&#039;s up with the extremely low-quality screenshots on Microsoft&#039;s Windows 7 site (same ones Dan used in the article)? Look at the screen dimming one in particular - it&#039;s super-compressed and grainy. You&#039;d think if they&#039;re trying to sell you on the product, they&#039;d get some better screenshots :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, what&#8217;s up with the extremely low-quality screenshots on Microsoft&#8217;s Windows 7 site (same ones Dan used in the article)? Look at the screen dimming one in particular &#8211; it&#8217;s super-compressed and grainy. You&#8217;d think if they&#8217;re trying to sell you on the product, they&#8217;d get some better screenshots :-D</p>
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		<title>By: daGUY</title>
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		<dc:creator>daGUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nat: Yes, I noticed the same thing too. Launching any app not in the taskbar requires navigating the Start menu - just like how launching any app not in the dock requires opening the Applications folder. Same difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nat: Yes, I noticed the same thing too. Launching any app not in the taskbar requires navigating the Start menu &#8211; just like how launching any app not in the dock requires opening the Applications folder. Same difference.</p>
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		<title>By: nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really looking forward to the next article in the series.  The only error in this one was the following:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Taskbar handles half of the features of the Mac OS X Dock; actually launching an app or document still requires navigating the Start Menu.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The new Windows 7 Dock...er I mean Taskbar, does serve as an app launcher.  You just drag the app to the Taskbar or if you already have it running, you right click and &quot;pin&quot; it to the Taskbar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really looking forward to the next article in the series.  The only error in this one was the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Taskbar handles half of the features of the Mac OS X Dock; actually launching an app or document still requires navigating the Start Menu.</p></blockquote>
<p>The new Windows 7 Dock&#8230;er I mean Taskbar, does serve as an app launcher.  You just drag the app to the Taskbar or if you already have it running, you right click and &#8220;pin&#8221; it to the Taskbar.</p>
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		<title>By: nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really looking forward to the next article in the series.  The only error in this one was the following:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Taskbar handles half of the features of the Mac OS X Dock; actually launching an app or document still requires navigating the Start Menu.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The new Windows 7 Dock...er I mean Taskbar, does serve as an app launcher.  You just drag the app to the Taskbar or if you already have it running, you right click and &quot;pin&quot; it to the Taskbar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-2L0DPut4

Eeesh, the way Win7 handles window resizing based on dragging to different edges of the screen is utterly atrocious.  

And what&#039;s the point of the Quick Launch Taskbar menu (which the guy doing that video even noted)?  I wonder if Win7 will actually ship with some icons in the Taskbar/Dock knockoff  by default, or if they&#039;ll all be hidden away under the Start Menu?

Glad Daniel addressed the already spreading myth (as apparent from the guy &#039;s commentary in the video) that Windows 7 is a brand new OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really looking forward to the next article in the series.  The only error in this one was the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Taskbar handles half of the features of the Mac OS X Dock; actually launching an app or document still requires navigating the Start Menu.</p></blockquote>
<p>The new Windows 7 Dock&#8230;er I mean Taskbar, does serve as an app launcher.  You just drag the app to the Taskbar or if you already have it running, you right click and &#8220;pin&#8221; it to the Taskbar.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-2L0DPut4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-2L0DPut4</a></p>
<p>Eeesh, the way Win7 handles window resizing based on dragging to different edges of the screen is utterly atrocious.  </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s the point of the Quick Launch Taskbar menu (which the guy doing that video even noted)?  I wonder if Win7 will actually ship with some icons in the Taskbar/Dock knockoff  by default, or if they&#8217;ll all be hidden away under the Start Menu?</p>
<p>Glad Daniel addressed the already spreading myth (as apparent from the guy &#8217;s commentary in the video) that Windows 7 is a brand new OS.</p>
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		<title>By: nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh, why aren&#039;t my posts showing up!?</description>
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