Comments on: Dan Lyons, Paul Thurrott: the Fake and the Phony

By: Microsoft does it right… Almost. | Physics By Momentum

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By: Windows Weenies are, well, weenies | lolife

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By: » lyons and jesus and vultures oh my! i drank the kool-aid: clutching my dixie cup of apple goodness

Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:10:29 +0000

[...] And RoughlyDrafted on Lyons the Fake: The Fake now insists that he halted his Fake Steve Jobs column out of respect for Jobs’ health condition, not because his fifteen minutes of fame (and corporate sponsorship) had been exhausted. At the same time, he continues his speculative autopsy of Jobs in the role of a “journalist,” desperately trying to find ways to profit from lurid stabs into Jobs’ personal life before the man can recover. Most recently, the Fake has instigated a campaign to vilify Jobs for expressing too much optimism about his own health, and subsequently taking a break to focus on recovery after finding it necessary to do so. [...]

By: In Pursuit of Quality: The Apple “Fanboi”

In Pursuit of Quality: The Apple “Fanboi” — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:59:02 +0000

[...] A couple of big hitters on the other side have jumped on this latest argument. I’ll leave it for others to attack the attackers, so to speak, but I believe it gives the topic more credibility than it [...]

By: Bill

Bill — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:28:55 +0000

What happened to my last two comments?

By: dizzle

dizzle — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:27:30 +0000

@joel
You are absolutely correct. Microsoft has pretty much admitted that Vista was screwed up from the beginning, and then there is the whole “Vista Ready” debacle. If code analysis has determined that this is really VistaSP2, the suckers who paid for Vista (and I was one of them), should get it for free. Period. When MobileMe screwed up royally, Apple went above and beyond. I was happy with the first 30 days credit, it was working fine for me, but because less than 10% were still having issues they gave an additional 60 days free across the Board.

Microsoft is trying to distance itself from the Visaster as fast as possible, but the truth is that Windows 7 (which I heard is quite good, though I doubt I will ever switch back, but I would virtualize it if it is good) is Vista if they had done it right the first time.

The new OS versions of Apple follow the clear pattern of 10.1, .2 etc. and are NOT mop up jobs of the prior disaster.

Sheesh, I have said multiple times here when Apple has screwed up, and when Apple is not doing the right thing. Why are the Windows fanbois here (don’t take that as an insult, I am an Apple fangrl) cannot do the same? You have absolutely no credibility until you do.

I notice that @daGUY didn’t touch my commentary on Paul’s joke of a report on the Keynote. Because it isn’t defensible. And I notice he stayed far away from asking me to post an analysis of Paul’s rant about the ad campaign.

Paul and Dan are getting what they dish out. And in this thread, it doesn’t seem like it is the Apple fans that are acting like the jackbooted zombies, nor flouncing off in a fit without defending one’s position.

Apparently it would kill a certain person to admit I had a point. Flounce, exit right.

However, I do expect the dramatic re-entrance any moment now.

By: Joel

Joel — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:18:17 +0000

jfatz: “…and it’s not like Apple doesn’t have new OS versions in short order that it ALSO charges full price for.”

Yep, but Leopard is clearly labelled as OS X 10.5, rather saying its really OS X 11.

By: dizzle

dizzle — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:08:29 +0000

@daGUY
Ahhh the hurt puppy flounce routine. Right on schedule. It is you who apparently cannot admit that Paul has in fact taken things to the same level. I wonder why?

By: daGUY

daGUY — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:51:49 +0000

@Dizzle: All I did was say I disagreed with the article, and didn’t think Paul had said anything worthy of this amount of criticism and attention. And then I praised Dan for his other articles. Go reread my original comment if you have to (#73).

If that qualifies as “guns blazing” in your mind, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Next time I disagree with something Dan writes, I’ll keep it to myself, since apparently people here are completely incapable of accepting the idea that someone, somewhere might have a different opinion than they do.

At any rate, this conversation is over. I come to this site to be informed and entertained by what Dan has to say, not to have pointless arguments with a bunch of random strangers on the Internet. I have better things to do with my time.

By: jfatz

jfatz — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:01:51 +0000

@edtech

“How about an article about how Windows 7 is really Vista SP2. The sinister thing is that by calling it a new OS release instead of an SP2, Microsoft can get everyone to pay for it (again) instead of making it a free download. ”

“Vista” simply has too much negative baggage for them right now, so this mainly reflects a desire to get the hell away from that branding name, and move people to “anything but Vista” on their new computers.

Offhand, we don’t know the pricing model, so… Perhaps upgrades from Vista will be pretty cheap, but upgrades from earlier OSes not so much? Dunno. But it’s not like prior-to-XP they didn’t have “barely upgrades” that they charged new prices for very quick-like, and it’s not like Apple doesn’t have new OS versions in short order that it ALSO charges full price for. Microsoft really doesn’t want to follow the “XP trend” they created by delaying Longhorn/Vista so much, and “Vista” itself has such a bad rap to CONTINUE making XP their “good brand” and the fervor to get away from Vista palpable…

It’s really just going to return to business as usual. New computers get the new OS (at likely no surcharge from current Vista pricing), just as they do on Macs, and everyone else…? Well, they get to decide if it’s worth spending the money to upgrade at some point, same as always.

Business as usual. (Well, at least “pre-XP” business for them.)