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	<title>Comments on: InformationWeek says Windows 7 is &#8230; Windows XP Classic</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: ssampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>ssampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;s not it. Your use of terminology is incorrect. The so called Windows tax is being required to pay for Windows when you don&#039;t use it. If you use Windows, it&#039;s not a tax. Vista is selling well on the consumer front, not so well on the corporate front. Companies don&#039;t want to pay more for hardware, so they can get less performance on the software. If Windows 7 is faster and more efficient than Vista corps will use it; simple as that.

&lt;em&gt;[Nope, a &quot;tax&quot; is simply a fee collected by a government to socialize a public expense. The Windows Tax isn&#039;t free to people who plan to use Windows, any more than gas tax is free to drivers who actually use the roads those taxes help pay for. Software costs are not &quot;taxes&quot; in general, they are real expenses. That&#039;s why there is no real Apple tax, despite the pleadings of Windows Enthusiast pundits. 

The real problem (and the reason for using the word tax in relation to Windows) is that Microsoft has installed itself as a monopoly with powers over the entire PC world, and has the ability to tax transactions with fees for its software that are collected whether or not people use it, or want to use it. That reduces choice and competition in the market by erecting barriers to new competitors, resulting in the current layer of crap holding PCs back. Microsoft is charging taxes without representation.

And Vista is not &quot;selling well on the consumer front.&quot; It is simply being forced upon consumers and still being rejected by the market, by consumers who want to roll back to XP, by OEMs who want to ship XP, and by developers who don&#039;t want to make titles Vista exclusive because they know they won&#039;t sell. Windows 7 can improve greatly over Vista (it is really only a minor update to Vista, internally Windows NT 6.1) and it still won&#039;t solve the problem of the Windows Tax that is throttling interest in the PC just as Microsoft&#039;s software held back smartphones, personal music players and other devices plagued with it.

Making excuses for Microsoft doesn&#039;t solve the problem either. Why anyone would turn the other cheek to a bumbling company churning out incompetent, unsalable products is beyond ridiculous.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s not it. Your use of terminology is incorrect. The so called Windows tax is being required to pay for Windows when you don&#8217;t use it. If you use Windows, it&#8217;s not a tax. Vista is selling well on the consumer front, not so well on the corporate front. Companies don&#8217;t want to pay more for hardware, so they can get less performance on the software. If Windows 7 is faster and more efficient than Vista corps will use it; simple as that.</p>
<p><em>[Nope, a "tax" is simply a fee collected by a government to socialize a public expense. The Windows Tax isn't free to people who plan to use Windows, any more than gas tax is free to drivers who actually use the roads those taxes help pay for. Software costs are not "taxes" in general, they are real expenses. That's why there is no real Apple tax, despite the pleadings of Windows Enthusiast pundits. </p>
<p>The real problem (and the reason for using the word tax in relation to Windows) is that Microsoft has installed itself as a monopoly with powers over the entire PC world, and has the ability to tax transactions with fees for its software that are collected whether or not people use it, or want to use it. That reduces choice and competition in the market by erecting barriers to new competitors, resulting in the current layer of crap holding PCs back. Microsoft is charging taxes without representation.</p>
<p>And Vista is not "selling well on the consumer front." It is simply being forced upon consumers and still being rejected by the market, by consumers who want to roll back to XP, by OEMs who want to ship XP, and by developers who don't want to make titles Vista exclusive because they know they won't sell. Windows 7 can improve greatly over Vista (it is really only a minor update to Vista, internally Windows NT 6.1) and it still won't solve the problem of the Windows Tax that is throttling interest in the PC just as Microsoft's software held back smartphones, personal music players and other devices plagued with it.</p>
<p>Making excuses for Microsoft doesn't solve the problem either. Why anyone would turn the other cheek to a bumbling company churning out incompetent, unsalable products is beyond ridiculous.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Boycott Novell &#187; Partial Index: Summary of Bribed Sites, Journalists, and Bloggers (Vista 7)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boycott Novell &#187; Partial Index: Summary of Bribed Sites, Journalists, and Bloggers (Vista 7)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Drafted wrote about Vista 7 as well.  InformationWeek pundit Mitch Wagner has decided that Windows 7 is bad news for Apple [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Drafted wrote about Vista 7 as well.  InformationWeek pundit Mitch Wagner has decided that Windows 7 is bad news for Apple [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lightstriker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lightstriker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hodari,  90% of the world use windows  because MS backstab apple and ibm and because Apple made a lot of busniess mistakes after they ousted Jobs. Danial wrote articles about it on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hodari,  90% of the world use windows  because MS backstab apple and ibm and because Apple made a lot of busniess mistakes after they ousted Jobs. Danial wrote articles about it on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: beanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>beanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel wrote:
&quot;nobody wants to pay Microsoft’s Windows Tax.&quot;

What is exactly is this Windows tax?  OEM PC manufacturers have an OEM price for Windows, which they sell to consumers.  For example, ASUS sells both Linux and WindowsXP version of their netbooks.  The WindowsXP version costs more.

Daniel wrote:
&quot;XP into an OS it can sell on devices such as the netbook. That product category hasn’t yet taken off,&quot;

Acer shipped 2.4 million AspireOnes in the 3rd Quarter.  ASUS is probably still the leader with their EEE PCs.  ASUS said 70% are WindowsXP.

Daniel wrote:
&quot;big PC makers from HP to Dell to Acer to Sony are all investigating Linux&quot;

So you are saying you would like to see Linux overtake Mac as the second most used consumer OS.  ASUS said Linux is 30% of their netbooks.  So is Apple going to enter the low-margin netbook category?

Windows 7 is probably a &quot;lean Vista&quot; since it supports Vista drivers.  The leap in PC system requirements from XP to Vista was too great so enterprises did not want to upgrade.  I read Windows 7 will run confortably on a netbook with 512K memory and 11GB of hard drive space.  So Microsoft addressed both netbooks and enterprises wanting less system requirements.

&lt;em&gt;[Go back to 2005 and you can read all about how great Vista was going to be.]
&lt;/em&gt;
Vista adoption is pretty good.  According to NetApplications traffic measurement, Vista gains about 1% every month and XP decreases 0.5-1%.  I think Vista is up to 19% MarketShare in October 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel wrote:<br />
&#8220;nobody wants to pay Microsoft’s Windows Tax.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is exactly is this Windows tax?  OEM PC manufacturers have an OEM price for Windows, which they sell to consumers.  For example, ASUS sells both Linux and WindowsXP version of their netbooks.  The WindowsXP version costs more.</p>
<p>Daniel wrote:<br />
&#8220;XP into an OS it can sell on devices such as the netbook. That product category hasn’t yet taken off,&#8221;</p>
<p>Acer shipped 2.4 million AspireOnes in the 3rd Quarter.  ASUS is probably still the leader with their EEE PCs.  ASUS said 70% are WindowsXP.</p>
<p>Daniel wrote:<br />
&#8220;big PC makers from HP to Dell to Acer to Sony are all investigating Linux&#8221;</p>
<p>So you are saying you would like to see Linux overtake Mac as the second most used consumer OS.  ASUS said Linux is 30% of their netbooks.  So is Apple going to enter the low-margin netbook category?</p>
<p>Windows 7 is probably a &#8220;lean Vista&#8221; since it supports Vista drivers.  The leap in PC system requirements from XP to Vista was too great so enterprises did not want to upgrade.  I read Windows 7 will run confortably on a netbook with 512K memory and 11GB of hard drive space.  So Microsoft addressed both netbooks and enterprises wanting less system requirements.</p>
<p><em>[Go back to 2005 and you can read all about how great Vista was going to be.]<br />
</em><br />
Vista adoption is pretty good.  According to NetApplications traffic measurement, Vista gains about 1% every month and XP decreases 0.5-1%.  I think Vista is up to 19% MarketShare in October 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: GwMac</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/11/05/informationweek-says-windows-7-is-windows-xp-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-15971</link>
		<dc:creator>GwMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple mistakenly thinks that we love their hardware as much as their software and OS. I have been using Apple computers since 1982, but make no mistake, I would much prefer to use OS X on many dozens of computers available that offer the features I want at an affordable price. By and large, Macs are extremely overpriced and under-featured. That is just a fact. Some much smaller  companies than Apple offer over a dozen different laptop models for example in every size, shape, form, and price range. Apple by comparison only offers two. What is you want an affordable Apple laptop with a 15&quot; or 17&quot; screen but maybe integrated graphics and fewer pro feataures? Or a smaller Macbook Pro with firewire or a card reader? 

I love OS X, but I am not that big of a fan of their computers. Far too much emphasis on aesthetics and form over functionality for my taste. They are smart to not allow clones, because most people would probably switch in a heartbeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple mistakenly thinks that we love their hardware as much as their software and OS. I have been using Apple computers since 1982, but make no mistake, I would much prefer to use OS X on many dozens of computers available that offer the features I want at an affordable price. By and large, Macs are extremely overpriced and under-featured. That is just a fact. Some much smaller  companies than Apple offer over a dozen different laptop models for example in every size, shape, form, and price range. Apple by comparison only offers two. What is you want an affordable Apple laptop with a 15&#8243; or 17&#8243; screen but maybe integrated graphics and fewer pro feataures? Or a smaller Macbook Pro with firewire or a card reader? </p>
<p>I love OS X, but I am not that big of a fan of their computers. Far too much emphasis on aesthetics and form over functionality for my taste. They are smart to not allow clones, because most people would probably switch in a heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>By: lyndell</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyndell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MobileMe and .Mac are unnecessary options.  It&#039;s convenient for a few things, but not necessary.  I didn&#039;t buy .Mac because it does too little.  

Computing has entrenchment that cars don&#039;t have.  You rip and replace the car, but people don&#039;t like doing that with computers.  Changing OSes is like changing the train track gauge, then buying a new fleet of rail cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MobileMe and .Mac are unnecessary options.  It&#8217;s convenient for a few things, but not necessary.  I didn&#8217;t buy .Mac because it does too little.  </p>
<p>Computing has entrenchment that cars don&#8217;t have.  You rip and replace the car, but people don&#8217;t like doing that with computers.  Changing OSes is like changing the train track gauge, then buying a new fleet of rail cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hodari
May remind that all MS BETA&#039;s were stable and really good until LAUNCH, when they add so much other crap in the background to kill the OS.  I tested vista and thought it was pretty good in the last few steps of BETA and RC&#039;s, but once it released... OMFG... I think they give one for Beta/RC and another completely different for retail.  

Also, reminder that MS stole.. oops sorry, reverse engineered IBM and MAC for their &quot;windows&quot;.  And still steals, I mean borrows more from Apple, and others from MS.

And &quot;windows&quot; is used by most of the world due to marketing that Billy Borg was good at many years ago.  He was smart with the OEM/Exclusive type stuff way back when.  but now a days, they can&#039;t market themselves out of a paperbag.

Being in the Tech field since 3.1 days, I have seen the rise and soon to be fall of MS.  When asked by anyone who wants a new computer, I ask what they want to do and if it is the normal, Email, Internet and documents, I tell them go MAC.  Why, cause I still see a MAC system over 6 years old running OSX and still being used.  How many PC&#039;s do you have over 6 years old running Vista???  Or even XP?  My 4 year olds are having an issue with even XP...  yea kind of runs, if you make dinner and eat while it is booting up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hodari<br />
May remind that all MS BETA&#8217;s were stable and really good until LAUNCH, when they add so much other crap in the background to kill the OS.  I tested vista and thought it was pretty good in the last few steps of BETA and RC&#8217;s, but once it released&#8230; OMFG&#8230; I think they give one for Beta/RC and another completely different for retail.  </p>
<p>Also, reminder that MS stole.. oops sorry, reverse engineered IBM and MAC for their &#8220;windows&#8221;.  And still steals, I mean borrows more from Apple, and others from MS.</p>
<p>And &#8220;windows&#8221; is used by most of the world due to marketing that Billy Borg was good at many years ago.  He was smart with the OEM/Exclusive type stuff way back when.  but now a days, they can&#8217;t market themselves out of a paperbag.</p>
<p>Being in the Tech field since 3.1 days, I have seen the rise and soon to be fall of MS.  When asked by anyone who wants a new computer, I ask what they want to do and if it is the normal, Email, Internet and documents, I tell them go MAC.  Why, cause I still see a MAC system over 6 years old running OSX and still being used.  How many PC&#8217;s do you have over 6 years old running Vista???  Or even XP?  My 4 year olds are having an issue with even XP&#8230;  yea kind of runs, if you make dinner and eat while it is booting up.</p>
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		<title>By: KA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hodari,

Yes. Consumers are *not* better educated. Some people I know still think that you Macs are completely incompatible with Windows. Most think they aren&#039;t very compatible. When I told someone recently that I own a mac they said, &quot;What? But you can&#039;t do anything on a Mac!&quot;

I&#039;m pretty sure some people I know still think of the Mac like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~cema/courses/CSE5910/lectureFiles/images/lect7a/Sad_mac.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hodari,</p>
<p>Yes. Consumers are *not* better educated. Some people I know still think that you Macs are completely incompatible with Windows. Most think they aren&#8217;t very compatible. When I told someone recently that I own a mac they said, &#8220;What? But you can&#8217;t do anything on a Mac!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure some people I know still think of the Mac like <a href="http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~cema/courses/CSE5910/lectureFiles/images/lect7a/Sad_mac.png" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: hodari</title>
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		<dc:creator>hodari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel – do not assume that I am using Pre-BETA M!

I hear you all out loud!. The bottom line is that 90% of the world desktops still run windows – there must be some solid reasons why  “consumers” and “enterprise” still run windows and not the mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel – do not assume that I am using Pre-BETA M!</p>
<p>I hear you all out loud!. The bottom line is that 90% of the world desktops still run windows – there must be some solid reasons why  “consumers” and “enterprise” still run windows and not the mac.</p>
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		<title>By: brett_x</title>
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		<dc:creator>brett_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t the &quot;New Coke&quot; a smoke and mirrors tactic intended to fail so that they could re-introduce CocaCola Classic with high fructose corn syrup rather than sugar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the &#8220;New Coke&#8221; a smoke and mirrors tactic intended to fail so that they could re-introduce CocaCola Classic with high fructose corn syrup rather than sugar?</p>
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