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		<title>By: McCain, Palin Push Ashely Todd into Limelight. Oops. &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCain, Palin Push Ashely Todd into Limelight. Oops. &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Criminal Links to the Presidential Candidates Obama-Biden, McCain-Palin: Scandals by the Numbers Terrorist Criminal Links to the Presidential Candidates The Big Fannie Mae &amp; Freddie Mac Attack [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jdoc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all that are interested in the truth behind Palin and her experience:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Governor_of_Alaska

Needless to say, Dan is a bit off on most of what he said.

And for those who want the truth about &#039;troopergate&#039;, you should read the actual finalized documentation.  Both my wife and I have read it- bottom line, basically a hit piece.  She was found guilty of not stopping her husband from talking too much.  (she rightfully fired Monegan, and Wooten was corrupt to say the least.  Incidentally, the complaints against from Palin, et al started before she was Governor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all that are interested in the truth behind Palin and her experience:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Governor_of_Alaska" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Governor_of_Alaska</a></p>
<p>Needless to say, Dan is a bit off on most of what he said.</p>
<p>And for those who want the truth about &#8216;troopergate&#8217;, you should read the actual finalized documentation.  Both my wife and I have read it- bottom line, basically a hit piece.  She was found guilty of not stopping her husband from talking too much.  (she rightfully fired Monegan, and Wooten was corrupt to say the least.  Incidentally, the complaints against from Palin, et al started before she was Governor).</p>
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		<title>By: Windinthedust</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan; a nice follow up article, might be- &quot;Candidates Plans for the Future- by the Numbers&quot;  this would now make a positive comparison of which &quot;computer&quot; we should buy. :-)

I would also like to see you do some candidate neutral articles, where you simply lay out arguments for certain policies to be adopted: as a starter, you could explain how taxes really affect the economy, how the government makes the most money, and why government (tax payer) spending of capital on projects with no &quot;return on investment&quot; or consumer value is such a bad idea.  Doing this, and digging into historical data would be really fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan; a nice follow up article, might be- &#8220;Candidates Plans for the Future- by the Numbers&#8221;  this would now make a positive comparison of which &#8220;computer&#8221; we should buy. :-)</p>
<p>I would also like to see you do some candidate neutral articles, where you simply lay out arguments for certain policies to be adopted: as a starter, you could explain how taxes really affect the economy, how the government makes the most money, and why government (tax payer) spending of capital on projects with no &#8220;return on investment&#8221; or consumer value is such a bad idea.  Doing this, and digging into historical data would be really fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Windinthedust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windinthedust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, you are doing a better job with you political articles... keep up the improvements!  

You still are not going deep enough on your own side, and not being honestly object on the side you oppose.  Again; I support neither side, but as a neutral bystander, I see you still have on rose colored glasses when covering the side you were &quot;born with&quot;.  Do some soul searching- this should not be like a football ball team where you support the home team at all cost.  Rather then presenting objective arguments, the article came across as a defensive move, justifying your candidates flaws and mistakes, by highlighting your opponents.  I&#039;m not saying not to do this, by all means, expose away, we need to know... I&#039;m just saying, go all the way- you stopped short on both sides by not giving the entire backstory on either.  This back story might exonerate, or it might damn.... it doesn&#039;t matter, it needs to be told as is.

Political persuasion is like a &quot;family religion&quot; where people are born of a certain creed (usually determined by what part of the world their are born in), and they die of that creed without bothering to investigate whether it&#039;s really &quot;truth&quot;.

In like manner, I want you to dig for the &quot;truth&quot; on both sides, and report this, no matter where it leads.  Honest, un-hypocritical comparisons, no excuses.... no more, &quot;your father is better then my father debate&quot;, this is all bunk.  Without doing this, you become like a M$ shill, that will always root for the home team, no matter what the reality sitting in the room with them.  (I hope that wasn&#039;t too harsh!)

Just a little more critiquing- thanks for being humble enough to consider it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you are doing a better job with you political articles&#8230; keep up the improvements!  </p>
<p>You still are not going deep enough on your own side, and not being honestly object on the side you oppose.  Again; I support neither side, but as a neutral bystander, I see you still have on rose colored glasses when covering the side you were &#8220;born with&#8221;.  Do some soul searching- this should not be like a football ball team where you support the home team at all cost.  Rather then presenting objective arguments, the article came across as a defensive move, justifying your candidates flaws and mistakes, by highlighting your opponents.  I&#8217;m not saying not to do this, by all means, expose away, we need to know&#8230; I&#8217;m just saying, go all the way- you stopped short on both sides by not giving the entire backstory on either.  This back story might exonerate, or it might damn&#8230;. it doesn&#8217;t matter, it needs to be told as is.</p>
<p>Political persuasion is like a &#8220;family religion&#8221; where people are born of a certain creed (usually determined by what part of the world their are born in), and they die of that creed without bothering to investigate whether it&#8217;s really &#8220;truth&#8221;.</p>
<p>In like manner, I want you to dig for the &#8220;truth&#8221; on both sides, and report this, no matter where it leads.  Honest, un-hypocritical comparisons, no excuses&#8230;. no more, &#8220;your father is better then my father debate&#8221;, this is all bunk.  Without doing this, you become like a M$ shill, that will always root for the home team, no matter what the reality sitting in the room with them.  (I hope that wasn&#8217;t too harsh!)</p>
<p>Just a little more critiquing- thanks for being humble enough to consider it.</p>
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		<title>By: shiver me timbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiver me timbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(part 5 - The End, I promise...)

A good place to start is the DVD, &quot;America: Freedom to Fascism&quot;.  While it starts with the illegality of the Federal Income Tax and how it is used to control the people, like peeling back the layers of an onion, it leads from one area of control and power by the bankers and politicians to another.

Google &quot;America: Freedom to Fascism&quot;.  It can be found on DVD for only $10.  A lower quality version can be watched for free on Google Video.</description>
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<p>A good place to start is the DVD, &#8220;America: Freedom to Fascism&#8221;.  While it starts with the illegality of the Federal Income Tax and how it is used to control the people, like peeling back the layers of an onion, it leads from one area of control and power by the bankers and politicians to another.</p>
<p>Google &#8220;America: Freedom to Fascism&#8221;.  It can be found on DVD for only $10.  A lower quality version can be watched for free on Google Video.</p>
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		<title>By: shiver me timbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiver me timbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(part 3 - PLEASE READ BEFORE PART 4 ABOVE)

An infamous video floats around YouTube of Dick Cheney speaking at the Council of Foreign Relations and reminding that not only was he a member of the CFR but that he once used to be a director.  He laughs that he concealed his position as Council of Foreign Relations director when he was compaigning for congressional office.

Similarly, Obama has become the same Washington elitist politican.  Another YouTube video shows Obama answering a question about his membership with the Council of Foreign Relations.  After first stammering, he then mischaracterizes the power of the Council of Foreign Relations by suggesting it is only a forum.  He then backpedals about his membership stating that he his not really a member.  But he is a member, and it costs a tidy amount to become a member, and even if that slipped his mind, his wife is a director.

He then pretends to be ignorant of the North American Union -- not even being able to pronounce it&#039;s name -- while in the very next statement, he is aware that Ron Paul talked about the threat of the North American Union to our sovereignty.  He then goes on to deny that there any such effort towards a North American Union, though the CFR has a documented plan for it.

Dan, you give a phenomenal service with your technology articles.  Before I used to simply dislike Microsoft and Windows.  But you opened up many eyes to the horrid deeds of Microsoft.

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<p>An infamous video floats around YouTube of Dick Cheney speaking at the Council of Foreign Relations and reminding that not only was he a member of the CFR but that he once used to be a director.  He laughs that he concealed his position as Council of Foreign Relations director when he was compaigning for congressional office.</p>
<p>Similarly, Obama has become the same Washington elitist politican.  Another YouTube video shows Obama answering a question about his membership with the Council of Foreign Relations.  After first stammering, he then mischaracterizes the power of the Council of Foreign Relations by suggesting it is only a forum.  He then backpedals about his membership stating that he his not really a member.  But he is a member, and it costs a tidy amount to become a member, and even if that slipped his mind, his wife is a director.</p>
<p>He then pretends to be ignorant of the North American Union &#8212; not even being able to pronounce it&#8217;s name &#8212; while in the very next statement, he is aware that Ron Paul talked about the threat of the North American Union to our sovereignty.  He then goes on to deny that there any such effort towards a North American Union, though the CFR has a documented plan for it.</p>
<p>Dan, you give a phenomenal service with your technology articles.  Before I used to simply dislike Microsoft and Windows.  But you opened up many eyes to the horrid deeds of Microsoft.</p>
<p>[NOW JUMP BACK UP TO PART 4]</p>
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		<title>By: shiver me timbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiver me timbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(part 4)

It is also clear that you share a passion for politics.  You are in a unique position in which you can inform people to how our country is at risk of its solvency and its sovereignty.  You could carry a banner exposing politicians breaking constitutional law that threatens to collapse our country.  You could bring to light the back room secret elitist organizations that attempt to control our American form of government for their own world banking interests by circumventing the Constitution.  Instead, you focus on partisan politics, generally characterizing Republicans as the bad guys and Democrats as the good.

While they certainly have their differences -- the banks don&#039;t care about many of these differences -- what they care about is the control of the economy and monetary system for their benefit.  And  in the end Republicans and Democrats are very similar and are each a part of the problem.  They both will spend, borrow, and print dollar bank notes not backed by gold until our country risks financial collapse.  We are already bankrupt.  Additionally, Democrats and Republicans both will charge the military into nations unconstitutionally (the Constitution requires for Congress to declare war) for the purpose of nation building while fulfilling one world government goals (having a presence in the middle east) and oil interests (protecting piplelines).

Would we like it if another country invaded our country forcing us live the way they thought we should?

Dan, if you must fill roughlydrafted.com with political tirades, I implore you to research the issues that are much more critical to the survival of our country rather than the more partisan ones.  Come to understand that the Democrats are as much a problem as the Repulicans and that neither McCain nor Obama offer &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; change that will bring our nation back to solvency, retain its sovereignty, force politicians to abide by the Constitution, and return our lost civil liberties.</description>
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<p>It is also clear that you share a passion for politics.  You are in a unique position in which you can inform people to how our country is at risk of its solvency and its sovereignty.  You could carry a banner exposing politicians breaking constitutional law that threatens to collapse our country.  You could bring to light the back room secret elitist organizations that attempt to control our American form of government for their own world banking interests by circumventing the Constitution.  Instead, you focus on partisan politics, generally characterizing Republicans as the bad guys and Democrats as the good.</p>
<p>While they certainly have their differences &#8212; the banks don&#8217;t care about many of these differences &#8212; what they care about is the control of the economy and monetary system for their benefit.  And  in the end Republicans and Democrats are very similar and are each a part of the problem.  They both will spend, borrow, and print dollar bank notes not backed by gold until our country risks financial collapse.  We are already bankrupt.  Additionally, Democrats and Republicans both will charge the military into nations unconstitutionally (the Constitution requires for Congress to declare war) for the purpose of nation building while fulfilling one world government goals (having a presence in the middle east) and oil interests (protecting piplelines).</p>
<p>Would we like it if another country invaded our country forcing us live the way they thought we should?</p>
<p>Dan, if you must fill roughlydrafted.com with political tirades, I implore you to research the issues that are much more critical to the survival of our country rather than the more partisan ones.  Come to understand that the Democrats are as much a problem as the Repulicans and that neither McCain nor Obama offer <i>real</i> change that will bring our nation back to solvency, retain its sovereignty, force politicians to abide by the Constitution, and return our lost civil liberties.</p>
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		<title>By: shiver me timbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiver me timbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(part 2)

And that brings us to the Council on Foreign Affairs, a secretive organization of elitists comprised of notable democrats, republicans, and the wealthy.  An organization which has tremendous power to control our foreign policy and our economy.  An organization founded by David Rockefeller which attempts to circumvent our Constitutional form of government to control the direction of our country.  If we abided by the Constitution, all of its members should be tried for treason.

And who are among this secret organization&#039;s members?  George Bush, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain.  But also, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Biden.

What are its goals, its mission?  The CFR is ushering in a one world government for the benefit of the banking industry.  All of their foreign policy recommendations and economic strategies are aimed at this goal.  Just as with the EU and the Euro, they have a documented strategy of how to unite the US, Canada, and Mexico into a similar union, the North American Union, with a one currency being the Amero.

By looking at past quotes from the founders of the Federal Reserve, it is very clear that once the North American Union, the European Union, the African Union, and the Asian Union are all solidified, the next logical step is to combine them into a one world government controlled by the banking industry.  This is the New World Order George Bush Sr. ran on.

But the CFR is a secretive private organization of elitists.  They have not been elected, they are not representative of the people, and they do not hold public hearings.  Since they have great power over foreign and monetary policy, their unconstitutional actions are treasonous.</description>
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<p>And that brings us to the Council on Foreign Affairs, a secretive organization of elitists comprised of notable democrats, republicans, and the wealthy.  An organization which has tremendous power to control our foreign policy and our economy.  An organization founded by David Rockefeller which attempts to circumvent our Constitutional form of government to control the direction of our country.  If we abided by the Constitution, all of its members should be tried for treason.</p>
<p>And who are among this secret organization&#8217;s members?  George Bush, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain.  But also, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Biden.</p>
<p>What are its goals, its mission?  The CFR is ushering in a one world government for the benefit of the banking industry.  All of their foreign policy recommendations and economic strategies are aimed at this goal.  Just as with the EU and the Euro, they have a documented strategy of how to unite the US, Canada, and Mexico into a similar union, the North American Union, with a one currency being the Amero.</p>
<p>By looking at past quotes from the founders of the Federal Reserve, it is very clear that once the North American Union, the European Union, the African Union, and the Asian Union are all solidified, the next logical step is to combine them into a one world government controlled by the banking industry.  This is the New World Order George Bush Sr. ran on.</p>
<p>But the CFR is a secretive private organization of elitists.  They have not been elected, they are not representative of the people, and they do not hold public hearings.  Since they have great power over foreign and monetary policy, their unconstitutional actions are treasonous.</p>
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		<title>By: shiver me timbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiver me timbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(part 1)

Dan, you assert that Obama is a &quot;different&quot; politician, but you have failed to mention the most scandalous of all scandals of which both tickets are guilty:  the vote for the $700 billion dollar bailout.

When the bill couldn&#039;t pass at first, $100 billion of pork payoffs to congressional districts was added to sway votes.

McCain, Obama, and Biden -- all three -- voted for this scam on the American people.  Big corporations should go bankrupt for making bad deals.  But instead, we are now buying off their illiquid assets.  It is being dumped on us.

[ Already, after AIG&#039;s bailout, executives were caught spending $440,000 at a posh California retreat, including $23,380 worth of spa treatments. ]

The bailout was initiated by the Federal Reserve (a private bank) to bail out banks.  How will we pay for this $800 billion, since we do not have the money?  The very same Federal Reserve will print more money to pay for it.

The result of this on the American people?  That flippant printing of dollars will circulate into the economy causing our existing dollars to devalue tremendously, because our money is not &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; money that holds its value, as the government keeps printing more of it.  If you were worried about gas being $4 a gallon, you should now worry about it being $8 a gallon.

The truth is that gas prices have not risen.  Rather, it is our dollars that have lowered in value and buy less.  A barrel of oil would still be virtually the same amount as it was in 1971, were we still on the gold standard.  Instead, we have bank notes that are not real money, because they do not hold their value, and our not backed by gold our silver.  And such bank notes are illegal; they are unconstitutional.

In fact, this is all unconstitutional:  the Federal Reserve, a central bank, the printing of money not backed by gold or silver, the government artificially manipulating our economy for its short-term interests.</description>
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<p>Dan, you assert that Obama is a &#8220;different&#8221; politician, but you have failed to mention the most scandalous of all scandals of which both tickets are guilty:  the vote for the $700 billion dollar bailout.</p>
<p>When the bill couldn&#8217;t pass at first, $100 billion of pork payoffs to congressional districts was added to sway votes.</p>
<p>McCain, Obama, and Biden &#8212; all three &#8212; voted for this scam on the American people.  Big corporations should go bankrupt for making bad deals.  But instead, we are now buying off their illiquid assets.  It is being dumped on us.</p>
<p>[ Already, after AIG's bailout, executives were caught spending $440,000 at a posh California retreat, including $23,380 worth of spa treatments. ]</p>
<p>The bailout was initiated by the Federal Reserve (a private bank) to bail out banks.  How will we pay for this $800 billion, since we do not have the money?  The very same Federal Reserve will print more money to pay for it.</p>
<p>The result of this on the American people?  That flippant printing of dollars will circulate into the economy causing our existing dollars to devalue tremendously, because our money is not <i>real</i> money that holds its value, as the government keeps printing more of it.  If you were worried about gas being $4 a gallon, you should now worry about it being $8 a gallon.</p>
<p>The truth is that gas prices have not risen.  Rather, it is our dollars that have lowered in value and buy less.  A barrel of oil would still be virtually the same amount as it was in 1971, were we still on the gold standard.  Instead, we have bank notes that are not real money, because they do not hold their value, and our not backed by gold our silver.  And such bank notes are illegal; they are unconstitutional.</p>
<p>In fact, this is all unconstitutional:  the Federal Reserve, a central bank, the printing of money not backed by gold or silver, the government artificially manipulating our economy for its short-term interests.</p>
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		<title>By: shiver me timbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiver me timbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a test ... Dan please delete.</description>
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