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Adobe Creative Suite 4 details emerge

Prince McLean, AppleInsider
Adobe next week will unveil Creative Suite 4, a new version of its media design bundle set to ship the following month with features such as enhanced options for working with 3D objects in Photoshop, new Flash document exports from within InDesign, and a new animation model for Flash, AppleInsider has learned.

AppleInsider | Adobe Creative Suite 4 details emerge

  • nat

    Hmm, is Prince trying to say something with that cover photo? :D

  • http://home.comcast.net/~daguy daGUY

    I really don’t like the buttons in the title bar area and the custom close/min/zoom widgets. The only (quasi) legitimate reason I can see for messing with standard, basic interface elements (like the title bar) is if you want to give the app the same exact UI cross-platform. Since every OS has its own standards, then by definition, if you make the UI identical everywhere, it will be “non-standard” on each individual OS. On the other hand, at least the app itself will look and work exactly the same way, no matter what system you run it on, right?

    Now here’s what I don’t get about Adobe. They give their apps a non-standard UI, but it’s not even for the benefit of cross-platform parity, because they ALSO make OS-specific changes and additions. So what you have is a UI that’s non-standard on every OS the app runs on, AND it’s different for each OS! It doesn’t even match itself! Why??

  • Jordan Orlando

    Adobe has been ruining their interface for years now.

    I love the collapsing palettes in CS3, but they don’t make up for that TERRIBLE horizontal toolbar that must be present and cannot be shortened (except in Illustrator, and then only partially) or turned vertically. The horizontal bar is always in my way, and is partially redundant to the palettes, but only partially redundant. In other words, you need the character palette AND you need the horizontal toolbar in “type editing” mode, both at once, in order to get your work done. Plus they had to resort to duplicate copies of the palettes popping up from text links on the horizontal toolbar. It literally slows me down every time I use Photoshop.

    In other words, if hide the horizontal toolbar, I discover that MOST of its functionality is completely duplicated in the palettes (good) but that several crucial features have been left off (bad) and therefore I HAVE to have the horizontal toolbar displayed. It’s like being forced to work at a desk that has a wooden yardstick lying on it, atop my work, that I’m not allowed to remove.

    Sure, I can glue the horizontal toolbar to the top of the screen, but that’s even worse, since it gets even longer, stretching to the entire width of my monitor. When will Adobe realize that we DO NOT WANT to sacrifice a full 100 or so pixels across the entire top of our monitors?

    The new design is even worse, with two or three nested frames around the work area, and (apparently) a Windows-style nested-window scheme, wherein the program has one window containing more windows that display the documents. Also, they switched to CAPITAL LETTERS for the palette titles. Why? So that they would be larger, harder to read, and inconsistent?

    Adobe’s interface design is top-notch, except for these interrelated problems, in which the designers apparently feel that what we really need is large blank unusable rectangles of “chrome” where we could be working on our documents.

    And, everything daGUY says above is correct.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~daguy daGUY

    Despite my earlier comments, I don’t actually mind some of the other changes Adobe made. The MDI-style window can be toggled in a preference setting, so I don’t mind the option. This isn’t as un-Mac-like as it seems, anyway – after all, what about tabs in Safari? Same idea.

    Also, just my personal opinion, but I happen to like the CAPITAL palette titles. To my eye it makes them easier to see, and it mirrors what Apple did with the Finder sidebar in Leopard.

    I just really, really wish they wouldn’t touch basic, standard UI elements. The custom greyscale close/min/zoom buttons are totally unnecessary as OS X already has that option built-in – it should respect your system setting like just about *every other Mac app ever made*. And buttons IN the titlebar area is just wacky, totally non-standard, and completely illogical. They claim it’s to “save space,” yet they had to make the titlebar taller to accommodate them, so what’s the difference? Just make it a normal toolbar that I can toggle on and off! Why mess with established conventions?

  • http://home.comcast.net/~daguy daGUY

    BTW – I’d bet that a lot of these bizarre UI changes are made just to make the upgrade LOOK bigger than it is. Most of the core functionality of Photoshop (and other CS apps) doesn’t change all that much between major releases. Some marketing team at Adobe probably decided that CS4 didn’t “look” like a big upgrade and decided that they needed to make more UI changes.

  • Jordan Orlando

    Yeah, exactly (to both your comments).

    Adobe doesn’t even seem remotely interested in saving screen real estate. The new title bars and the odious horizontal toolbar (see my vitriolic remarks above) are examples of this. Enormous areas of blank chrome for no reason. Even if my monitor was twice the size it is now, I still wouldn’t like it.

    I don’t like the capital letters in the Finder either. Harder to read.

    Adobe should take a page out of Apple’s book. I recently upgraded to Final Cut Pro 6. It’s radically different and radically improved, but the interface is as close to identical as you could ask.