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	<title>Comments on: The Inside Deets on iPhone 2.0.2 and Dropped Calls</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: When AT&#38;T’s network crashes, it’s iPhone users who complain - iappleinfo</title>
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		<dc:creator>When AT&#38;T’s network crashes, it’s iPhone users who complain - iappleinfo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] use is pulling more power from AT&#38;T’s antennas than its network is prepared to provide. See Roughly Drafted for more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: go2planet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The possible importance of upgrading to 2.0.2</title>
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		<dc:creator>go2planet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The possible importance of upgrading to 2.0.2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] possible importance of upgrading to 2.0.2  Over at this post it talks about why Apple are pushing hard for users to get into the 2.0.2 firmware upgrade. Well at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: S A N D E E P [ I N D I A N I C ] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There can be only one: &#34;source&#34; claims for iPhone 2.0.2 to not suck, 2.0 must die</title>
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		<dc:creator>S A N D E E P [ I N D I A N I C ] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There can be only one: &#34;source&#34; claims for iPhone 2.0.2 to not suck, 2.0 must die</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frohike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frohike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this may or may not be in some way related although I'm sure there is a proportion of these drops that are related to the context of the calls being made. I live in Spain where there is a far more mature 3G market which has probably played its part on the network impact as iPhone usage is still very small when compared to the overall 3G market. For AT&#38;T the iPhone 3G has caused a huge leap in 3G usage.

An example of context was my playing with the GPS. I decided to see how well it would keep up with me driving at 160km/h (~100mph). Given the reports I was extremely happy to find that the little blue dot kept in place, correctly passing over-passes at the right time, for the whole 20 minute ride. The interesting thing was the streaming of the Google maps data. For the most part it streamed beautifully with the one exception… when you change cell towers the map streaming stopped altogether and I got a blue dot against a fast moving grey checker pattern until the new tower caught up with itself. Going back the other way a few days later confirmed this with the same dropouts in the same places (but in the other direction not to mention going much slower).

I don't profess to know anything about UE/Node B interactions for voice and data but maybe the issues are a combination of factors which includes UE power management, AT&#38;T's immature 3G network along with the call context in some instances. Apple may be making updates in order to help cope with AT&#38;T's 3G rollout and their problems. This is not to say Apple is "blameless" (if there's anything to point fingers over at all) here but it's possible it's not just the iPhone 3G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this may or may not be in some way related although I&#8217;m sure there is a proportion of these drops that are related to the context of the calls being made. I live in Spain where there is a far more mature 3G market which has probably played its part on the network impact as iPhone usage is still very small when compared to the overall 3G market. For AT&amp;T the iPhone 3G has caused a huge leap in 3G usage.</p>
<p>An example of context was my playing with the GPS. I decided to see how well it would keep up with me driving at 160km/h (~100mph). Given the reports I was extremely happy to find that the little blue dot kept in place, correctly passing over-passes at the right time, for the whole 20 minute ride. The interesting thing was the streaming of the Google maps data. For the most part it streamed beautifully with the one exception… when you change cell towers the map streaming stopped altogether and I got a blue dot against a fast moving grey checker pattern until the new tower caught up with itself. Going back the other way a few days later confirmed this with the same dropouts in the same places (but in the other direction not to mention going much slower).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t profess to know anything about UE/Node B interactions for voice and data but maybe the issues are a combination of factors which includes UE power management, AT&amp;T&#8217;s immature 3G network along with the call context in some instances. Apple may be making updates in order to help cope with AT&amp;T&#8217;s 3G rollout and their problems. This is not to say Apple is &#8220;blameless&#8221; (if there&#8217;s anything to point fingers over at all) here but it&#8217;s possible it&#8217;s not just the iPhone 3G.</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone 3G Reception Problems Related to Network Traffic</title>
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		<dc:creator>iPhone 3G Reception Problems Related to Network Traffic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at RoughlyDrafted proposes a more rational explanation for the iPhone 3G problems, and he links the problems with the iPhone 2.0.2 firmware update released to resolve them. Simply [...]</description>
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		<title>By: S A N D E E P [ I N D I A N I C ] - There can be only one: &#34;source&#34; claims for iPhone 2.0.2 to not suck, 2.0 must die</title>
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		<dc:creator>S A N D E E P [ I N D I A N I C ] - There can be only one: &#34;source&#34; claims for iPhone 2.0.2 to not suck, 2.0 must die</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 3Gの電波受信感度問題の原因？ &#124; iPhone 3G Wiki blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>3Gの電波受信感度問題の原因？ &#124; iPhone 3G Wiki blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RoughlyDraftedは米国時間8月28日、あるAT&#38;Tと関係の深い情報筋が、よく通話が途切れたり、十分に電波を受信できなかったりするという、7月のiPhone 3G発売以来、多くのユーザーが経験してきた事象に関して、iPhone 3G内部の「欠陥がある」電力制御ソフトウェアこそ、その原因であると語ったことを伝えた。要するに、iPhone 3Gは、接続を維持するために、携帯電話基地局に対して、必要以上に多くのパワーを要求するようになっており、複数のiPhoneが、同じ基地局へ同時に接続を試みる時に、これが非常に大きな問題を招いてしまうというのだ。 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Whatâ€™s the 3G Problem? Source Close to AT&#38;T Says iPhone Tower Power Drain &#124; HOT SEXY AND PRODUCT REVIEWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatâ€™s the 3G Problem? Source Close to AT&#38;T Says iPhone Tower Power Drain &#124; HOT SEXY AND PRODUCT REVIEWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Drafted is claiming a source close to AT&#38;T has spilled the beans on what&#8217;s really going on with the iPhone and its 3G connection problems, and what 2.0.2 did [...]</description>
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		<title>By: axc4466</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The explanation about the phone asking for too much power is shaky for the following reasons:

1. The "calls dropped due to downlik power" occurs when the bases station exhusts all the power available to serve the active users, i.e. when it reaches the capacity. This can happen when there are too many active users at one time. Since iPhone clearly caused a spike in AT&#38;T network load, this issue does not have anything to do with the iuPhone per se. 

2. Phones are thoroughly tested by the operator before they are "accepted" into the network. The amount of power the phone sucks out of the network is of course one of the most important aspects of the testing. The phones caught "cheating" are not allowed into the service.

3. Power control works only for voice calls. For data calls, threre is no power control. The bases station spreads all the power left over from voice users across data users and the more power is available per data user the better throughput they will get. 

It is more likely that there are more than one issue that were more tricky tha that and that could not be discovered durig the testing. This is very typical for a combination of a complicated techology, such as 3G, and an immature product, such as Infenion chipset. Think of it as a Beta version of Vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The explanation about the phone asking for too much power is shaky for the following reasons:</p>
<p>1. The &#8220;calls dropped due to downlik power&#8221; occurs when the bases station exhusts all the power available to serve the active users, i.e. when it reaches the capacity. This can happen when there are too many active users at one time. Since iPhone clearly caused a spike in AT&amp;T network load, this issue does not have anything to do with the iuPhone per se. </p>
<p>2. Phones are thoroughly tested by the operator before they are &#8220;accepted&#8221; into the network. The amount of power the phone sucks out of the network is of course one of the most important aspects of the testing. The phones caught &#8220;cheating&#8221; are not allowed into the service.</p>
<p>3. Power control works only for voice calls. For data calls, threre is no power control. The bases station spreads all the power left over from voice users across data users and the more power is available per data user the better throughput they will get. </p>
<p>It is more likely that there are more than one issue that were more tricky tha that and that could not be discovered durig the testing. This is very typical for a combination of a complicated techology, such as 3G, and an immature product, such as Infenion chipset. Think of it as a Beta version of Vista.</p>
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		<title>By: The possible importance of upgrading to 2.0.2 - MacTalk Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>The possible importance of upgrading to 2.0.2 - MacTalk Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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