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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft&#8217;s Mojave Experiment Exposes Serious Vista Problems</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrgaijinsan</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/15/microsofts-mojave-experiment-exposes-serious-vista-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-15581</link>
		<dc:creator>mrgaijinsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another problem with vista: CDs and DVDs (photos) burned on a vista box are unreadable on an OS X MacIntosh, i.e. they will not mount! some are (partially) recoverable with a file salvage app, but original file names are lost. I am the Mac user (thank God) and I am speaking of CDs/DVDs burned by three separate (unfortunate) vista users. It matters to me because I can't see their photos and it matters to them because it has finally destroyed their (misplaced) faith in Microsoft. It is also embarrassing for them. Emailing thousands of large jpg files is not an option. CDs and DVDs burned on XP (or earlier) are all fine. 

MacIntoshes have always been able to open PC disks (until Vista) but never the other way around. This PC chauvinism is curious and stupid.

I live in the Seattle area and know, through multiple sources, that Microsoft never beta tests anything, but rather inflicts that on the public. Each new OS is huger and slower. I also know that their corporate culture rewards mismanagement, incompetence, ignorance and back-stabbing mendacity. I like Bill, and don't want to believe he would approve of what his company has become, but I could be wrong. Anyway, his charities absolve him of sin in my book. Still, a thorough house cleaning would make Microsoft better and more profitable. They could easily fire most middle management. Their customers should be happy, not beset by a never ending assault of viruses, spyware, patches and things that crash, like my poor friends have to endure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another problem with vista: CDs and DVDs (photos) burned on a vista box are unreadable on an OS X MacIntosh, i.e. they will not mount! some are (partially) recoverable with a file salvage app, but original file names are lost. I am the Mac user (thank God) and I am speaking of CDs/DVDs burned by three separate (unfortunate) vista users. It matters to me because I can&#8217;t see their photos and it matters to them because it has finally destroyed their (misplaced) faith in Microsoft. It is also embarrassing for them. Emailing thousands of large jpg files is not an option. CDs and DVDs burned on XP (or earlier) are all fine. </p>
<p>MacIntoshes have always been able to open PC disks (until Vista) but never the other way around. This PC chauvinism is curious and stupid.</p>
<p>I live in the Seattle area and know, through multiple sources, that Microsoft never beta tests anything, but rather inflicts that on the public. Each new OS is huger and slower. I also know that their corporate culture rewards mismanagement, incompetence, ignorance and back-stabbing mendacity. I like Bill, and don&#8217;t want to believe he would approve of what his company has become, but I could be wrong. Anyway, his charities absolve him of sin in my book. Still, a thorough house cleaning would make Microsoft better and more profitable. They could easily fire most middle management. Their customers should be happy, not beset by a never ending assault of viruses, spyware, patches and things that crash, like my poor friends have to endure.</p>
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		<title>By: You Want the Truth? You Can&#8217;t Handle the Truth! &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Want the Truth? You Can&#8217;t Handle the Truth! &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] $300 Million Ads Microsoft’s Mojave Attempts to Wet Vista’s Desert Microsoft’s Mojave Experiment Exposes Serious Vista Problems Paul Thurrott calls Apple “the Bad Guys” of Microsoft’s $300 Million Ads Gates, Seinfeld and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wrw</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"it's that nobody is using it because of software/hardware compatibility issues, cost, and not having enough features to warrant buying it "

It doesn't seem like the facts are bearing that out.  Vista sold on new machines performs adequately and meets buyer expectations due to the efforts of the OEMs involved.  I do not believe that very many people have or will upgrade XP to Vista, particularly if they use the "upgrade advisor" which commonly points to so many issues that even the hardened computer geek is frightened off.  But the retail units, I know, are not being returned at any exceptional rate and it has been a 18 months since retail outlets have shipped nothing but Vista computers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s that nobody is using it because of software/hardware compatibility issues, cost, and not having enough features to warrant buying it &#8221;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem like the facts are bearing that out.  Vista sold on new machines performs adequately and meets buyer expectations due to the efforts of the OEMs involved.  I do not believe that very many people have or will upgrade XP to Vista, particularly if they use the &#8220;upgrade advisor&#8221; which commonly points to so many issues that even the hardened computer geek is frightened off.  But the retail units, I know, are not being returned at any exceptional rate and it has been a 18 months since retail outlets have shipped nothing but Vista computers.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt MS has stretched it's advertising and statistics.  However, I do take exception to your comment: " ... Microsoft should really stop lying about Mac security and vulnerability counts, because that kind of blatantly dishonest hypocrisy doesn’t help its case at all. ..."  as it relates to hypocrisy when you reference Windows 7 to the Seven Deadly sins.  If your intention is to relay an accurate and professional response to a viewed injustice it is inappropriate to resort to cheap tactics yourself.

&lt;em&gt;[My satirical comments about Microsoft are not on the same level of as Microsoft's official comments about its competitors. Also, I didn't lie. Microsoft willfully presented false information about vulnerability counts to deceive the public. ]&lt;/em&gt;

As for Windows Vista and it's stability and security.  I have used this product now for over a year and a half and have found it to be an improvement over Windows XP in many ways.  I have tested various applications and hardware and have had only one crash, which was directly related to a hardware failure that required replacement.  For those stuck in the PC world, for application dependant reasons, Vista is a fine product that will perform well.  And while many may say "albeit with the right hardware" I challenge anyone to put a new operating system ... Mac, Windows or Linux on an old piece of machinery and expect it to run well.  For those making the switch to a Mac I wish them well and if it pushes Microsoft to be better then we all benefit.

&lt;em&gt;[Vista has improved security, but the problem isn't that Vista isn't secure enough, it's that nobody is using it because of software/hardware compatibility issues, cost, and not having enough features to warrant buying it (or in the case of businesses, training and migration). Also, your experiences are clearly not reflective of the public at large, or everyone would be happy with Vista, no?]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt MS has stretched it&#8217;s advertising and statistics.  However, I do take exception to your comment: &#8221; &#8230; Microsoft should really stop lying about Mac security and vulnerability counts, because that kind of blatantly dishonest hypocrisy doesn’t help its case at all. &#8230;&#8221;  as it relates to hypocrisy when you reference Windows 7 to the Seven Deadly sins.  If your intention is to relay an accurate and professional response to a viewed injustice it is inappropriate to resort to cheap tactics yourself.</p>
<p><em>[My satirical comments about Microsoft are not on the same level of as Microsoft's official comments about its competitors. Also, I didn't lie. Microsoft willfully presented false information about vulnerability counts to deceive the public. ]</em></p>
<p>As for Windows Vista and it&#8217;s stability and security.  I have used this product now for over a year and a half and have found it to be an improvement over Windows XP in many ways.  I have tested various applications and hardware and have had only one crash, which was directly related to a hardware failure that required replacement.  For those stuck in the PC world, for application dependant reasons, Vista is a fine product that will perform well.  And while many may say &#8220;albeit with the right hardware&#8221; I challenge anyone to put a new operating system &#8230; Mac, Windows or Linux on an old piece of machinery and expect it to run well.  For those making the switch to a Mac I wish them well and if it pushes Microsoft to be better then we all benefit.</p>
<p><em>[Vista has improved security, but the problem isn't that Vista isn't secure enough, it's that nobody is using it because of software/hardware compatibility issues, cost, and not having enough features to warrant buying it (or in the case of businesses, training and migration). Also, your experiences are clearly not reflective of the public at large, or everyone would be happy with Vista, no?]</em></p>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m a PC too&#8230; touché &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/15/microsofts-mojave-experiment-exposes-serious-vista-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-13551</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m a PC too&#8230; touché &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Geek Chic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Plot Thickens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geek Chic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Plot Thickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microsoft&#8217;s Mojave experiment &#8212; designed to convince users to take another look at Vista &#8212; apparently fudged a lot of its numbers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Microsoft&#8217;s &#8216;I&#8217;m a PC&#8217; Campaign Keeps Getting Stranger (With Videos) &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft&#8217;s &#8216;I&#8217;m a PC&#8217; Campaign Keeps Getting Stranger (With Videos) &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Microsoft&#8217;s “I&#8217;m a PC” Millions Actually Promoting the Mac &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft&#8217;s “I&#8217;m a PC” Millions Actually Promoting the Mac &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Microsoft&#8217;s Mojave Attempts to Wet Vista&#8217;s Desert &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft&#8217;s Mojave Attempts to Wet Vista&#8217;s Desert &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gates, Seinfeld and the $300 Million Ad to Nowhere. &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gates, Seinfeld and the $300 Million Ad to Nowhere. &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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