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Microsoft’s Mojave Experiment Exposes Serious Vista Problems

few bricks short of a load
Daniel Eran Dilger
In its enthusiastic efforts to sweep Vista’s problems under the rug using theatrical demonstrations on trick props, the Microsoft’s Mojave Experiment also unintentionally exposes some other embarrassments and technical deficiencies related to the “new” operating system now nearly halfway through its expected lifespan.

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Let Sleeping Dogs Lie!
Microsoft bragged that 83% and 89% of Vista users in a separate study would recommend it to others or expressed satisfaction with it (respectively), but it then has to point out that nearly half of those were actually only “somewhat likely” to recommend it and more than half were only “somewhat satisfied” with their experience.

In contrast, most consumer satisfaction ratings, such as ChangeWave’s smartphone comparisons, only present “very satisfied” users. In a competitive market, users who were only “somewhat satisfied” would be very likely to move on to something else. The iPhone has “very satisfied” 79% of its users in that independent study. But Vista has only “very satisfied” 43% of users in Microsoft’s own study, a ranking that compares to the feedback ChangeWave got back on the dreadful smartphones from LG and Sanyo. That’s not saying much.

On its “Windows Vista: Look how far we’ve come” page (I am not making this up), Microsoft notes that Vista runs 98 of the top 100 consumer applications. Assuming that Microsoft didn’t figure in any Mac-only apps, that means two top sellers still can’t run on Vista nearly two years after its launch. Maybe that isn’t something to brag about either.

Look, It Toots Its Own Horn.
“When Windows Vista debuted in January 2007,” Microsoft notes, “we declared it the best operating system we had ever made.” This reminds me of the toddler diapers commercial where the kids sing “I can pull them off an on! Mommy, wow, I’m a big kid now.” Good job patting yourself on the back, Microsoft. Well done.

But what was everyone else saying? “’Windows Vista is beautiful,’ The New York Times raved,” the site points out, omitting the fact that the Times‘ review was actually titled “Vista Wins on Looks. As for Lacks …” and began by observing, “Microsoft’s description, which you’ll soon be seeing in millions of dollars’ worth of advertising, is ‘Clear, Confident, Connected.’ But a more truthful motto would be ‘Looks, Locks, Lacks.’”

The supposedly “raving” review also noted that the user interface in “Vista has something of a multiple-personality disorder,” noted “some jaw-dropping misfires,” “some useful XP features have simply been removed,” and concluded “that’s not to say, however, that Vista is worth standing in line for on Jan. 30,” before asking “Is it too little, too late?”

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And Shut Up About Security, You’re Only Making Things Worse.
Microsoft also works hard to advertise Vista’s stronger security, a notable improvement. The company says, “Windows Vista has fewer than half the security vulnerabilities of Windows XP,” but that claim relates directly to the fact that Microsoft itself releases the majority of vulnerability reports for its products because the open source community doesn’t have the same access to discover and publicize its weaknesses as Linux, Mac OS X, or other products making use of open source code. Microsoft’s Vista vulnerability count is therefore about as useful as China’s reports on its own human rights violations.

However, it also notes that Vista is “60% less likely to be infected by spyware or malware than Windows XP SP2.” That’s great, but Windows XP SP2 isn’t exactly known to be bulletproof. It’s hard to find a Windows PC that isn’t dripping with spyware and malware, so only being a little better than half as infected is bad news for Vista, not something to advertise. “Come to Beijing, where you’re now 60% less likely to be persecuted for your beliefs, run over by a tank, or die from pollution!”

Of course, Microsoft also takes a disingenuous potshot at Apple by saying, “in early 2008, Windows Vista was shown to have 89% fewer vulnerabilities than MacOS X 10.5, making it the most secure Windows release to date.” That non sequitur also fails to point out that Vista was a year old at that point, while Leopard had just been released.

But even more damning is that that factoid was sourced from a Microsoft employee’s blog, who posted the vulnerability count figures without any context, and without disclosing the fact that “Mac OS X vulnerabilities,” just like the cited “Linux vulnerabilities,” include every flaw found in their bundled open source libraries and servers, regardless of whether these are turned on by default or exposed to users at all. Microsoft does not bundle in counts for flaws found in its equivalent software libraries, and typically even excludes flaws discovered in Internet Explorer and Java.

While pundits like to talk a lot about vulnerability counts, they never qualify what those numbers actually represent. For example, does it have any impact on security overall to find that throughout the last year:

for Mac OS X:

• 16% of the listed vulnerabilities threatened the potential for system access
• 10% threatened to expose sensitive data or system info
• the largest amount, 29%, were only denial of service attacks

while under Windows Vista:

• 43% of the vulnerabilities threatened to provide to system access
• 24% threatened to expose sensitive data or system info
• only 5% were limited to threatening a denial of service attack

Microsoft has to lie through its teeth to suggest that Leopard has greater security issues that Vista, despite having just admitted that Vista is only 60% less likely to be infected than a Windows XP machine. How many Mac OS X machines have malware or adware infections? There are simply no credible threats of malware infection on the Mac, and no amount of countable vulnerabilities in Java, Perl, or OpenSSL have changed that this last year during which researchers on Microsoft’s payroll were blogging about misleading vulnerability counts on the Mac.

The last time we looked at vulnerability numerology for December 2007, it turned out that over third of the Mac OS X flaws that Secunia had tallied up were actually blank placeholders or duplicates. A quarter of the reminder were related to Sun’s Java SDK or JRE, which few users touch, and which Microsoft does not include in its own counts for Vista.

There were actually half as many flaws in Apple’s own Leopard code as there were in Vista’s, which really means that Microsoft hasn’t delivered some breakthrough in security that has launched Vista to a lofty new position of safety, but only that it is significantly better than Windows XP, but not better enough to get users to spring for an expensive upgrade, accept the performance hit, and buy a bunch of new hardware and software.

Conversely, the virus, malware, adware, and spyware plague on Windows has motivated many PC users to move to Macs. Microsoft is upset that Apple is advertising this fact, but before Microsoft complains about Apple telling the truth, Microsoft should really stop lying about Mac security and vulnerability counts, because that kind of blatantly dishonest hypocrisy doesn’t help its case at all.

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Microsoft’s Black Kettle.
It is comical that Windows enthusiasts try to suggest that the runaway success of the iPod and iPhone is primarily due to Apple’s marketing. Microsoft has blown out hundreds of millions of dollars to flog Vista, but it has flopped because it delivers too little advantages at a high price in terms of compatibility, performance, and of course that arrogantly high retail price tag.

Microsoft has only backhandedly acknowledged Apple’s success with the Mac, iPod, and iPhone in its statements to investors, warning them that it would have to give up profits in order to try to match Apple’s business model. Microsoft’s business teeters upon its ability to prevent competition in the markets it operates in. Now that the company is facing a credible competitor to the future of Windows from Apple’s Macintosh, it must now start delivering upon its promises and actually ship products people want.

However, Microsoft is still stuck with Vista until it can release Windows 7 in 2010, likely alongside Windows Mobile 7, its first attempt to copy the iPhone. Apple’s current rampage across the PC, MP3 player, smartphone, and mobile Internet device markets demands a stronger response than just rolling out a plan to show up years late to the party.

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Over the last decade, Microsoft has been content to collect licensing money for warmed up old code without regard for security or features. No amount of Mojave marketing tricks can disguise the problem that the company shipped an Edsel with Vista: a product it arrogantly assumed the market would buy simply because it was Microsoft pushing it out. Let’s see how well the company does with some friendly competition.

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41 comments

1 daedalia { 08.15.08 at 5:45 am }

Another interesting point about the Mojaving a laugh experiment (all very Area 51 isn’t it) is that it’s made using Flash not Silverlight. How do they expect to be taken seriously?

Always a pleasure reading, the truth is out there … well, here really.

2 Jon T { 08.15.08 at 6:00 am }

And now it seems to me that RIM is in the same position as Microsoft. Having sat back with satisfaction at the lot flowing in, they completely forgot to innovate and ask what the customer wants. Microsoft abandoned anything new when it dropped Longhorn for Vista when it just had to compete with OSX. Now the Blackberry Bold is a re-styled -and over stylised- work over designed to compete with the iPhone. Both fail miserably on all counts.

The possibilities for Apple are so gigantic it’s hard to comprehend.

The question is, can Microsoft do something more than provide another panicky response with Windows 7? My guess is no, it doesn’t know how to because we are beyond the simple copy and promulgate stage.

3 Jon T { 08.15.08 at 6:01 am }

“loot”, not “lot” – fool!

4 Leo { 08.15.08 at 6:11 am }

It’d be interesting to know more about this new problem for Microsoft’s security:

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/08/08/vista39s-security-rendered-completely-useless-by-new-exploit

“the work is a major breakthrough and there is very little that Microsoft can do to fix the problems. These attacks work differently than other security exploits, as they aren’t based on any new Windows vulnerabilities, but instead take advantage of the way Microsoft chose to guard Vista’s fundamental architecture.
[..] That’s completely game over.”

Ciao!

5 Jon T { 08.15.08 at 6:57 am }

Oh dear oh dear oh dear! That terrible.

And just to show that when you panic it all goes wrong: Nikon have disassociated itself from Microsoft over MSN thieving Flikr photo’s by not obtaining any Rights for their use… http://news.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029694,49298526,00.htm

6 fatbarstard { 08.15.08 at 8:21 am }

Do you think, maybe, that Bill Gates left at about the right time? Vista is a steaming pile of dog poo and the link from Leo just seems to make it a big scary pile of dog poo… Mind you, that is hardly a surprise.

As Dan points out – the biggest problem with Microsoft’s marketing is its terrible use of statistics – as an old math teacher of mine used to say – any statistic you see needs to have a factual base… for example, the old saw about advertising for washing powder that says it washes clothes 10% brighter? Brighter than what??

Same deal with M$FT… X% fewer vulnerabiliites compared to what? One of the problems with blogging is that there is no sub-editor making sure the logic of what M$FT employees are bainging on makes sense.

Fortunately, people aren’t completely stupid – most people have a fairly keen sense of when they are being fed bullshite… trouble, is out there in fandomsphere of M$FT they eat bullshite so they don’t know any different….

“If all you have is a hammer then whole world looks like nails”….

7 duckie { 08.15.08 at 9:21 am }

The Mojave site videos reveal something else interesting about Microsoft’s economy with the truth. Let’s first remind ourselves that they claim these are all “regular people who’ve never used Vista”. One of the clips contains several people saying, before they’ve been given the big reveal, “hang on, this looks an awful lot like Vista”. Strange. Something smells funny. Then in another clip, a lady, when shown something in the demonstration that would seem to be an old app running in compatibility mode, says “how come my copy of Vista doesn’t do that?” (it’s the second clip from the left in the bottom row if you care to look). But yet she’s just “a regular person who’s never used Vista”. It’s a conundrum isn’t it?

I also found a woman in another clip (second row down, second from left) asking whether the “fortune” program Microsoft had just shown her was part of Vista or “just something you picked out”, and the demonstrator is then forced to admit that it’s not part of Vista, it’s an additional piece of software he added. So these guinea pigs are apparently by default being shown stuff that they will mostly assume is part of Mojave/Vista when it isn’t necessarily. Nice work. No wonder the Mojave site doesn’t show you the demonstration these people actually received.

8 lmasanti { 08.15.08 at 11:01 am }

quote:
“Do you think, maybe, that Bill Gates left at about the right time?”

This was a tactical movement.
He leaves.
Microsoft fall down in Ballmer’s hands.
Bill comes back and save the company.
(Only if he is not set in a mental institution affected of the “copy-cat Steve Jobs” syndrome earlier.)

9 walter { 08.15.08 at 11:21 am }

Mr. Dilger,

I take great offense at your grouping of Microsoft’s Windows Vista with Huggies Pull-Ups training pants. Certainly, Huggies Pull-Ups were designed to handle a great deal of waste, but I think the steaming pile that is Windows Vista is too big even for these training pants.

Besides, I think the tag line is more appropriately transcribed, “Mommy, wow! I’m a big kid now!”

Of course, since my impression of Windows Vista is due only to secondhand reports, I would surely be one of the people astounded and amazed by the Mojave experiment.

Thank you.

10 potterhead4 { 08.15.08 at 12:40 pm }

Great article. Mirrors my thoughts when I first heard about this at AI:

This is a stupid campaign. It brings up all the problems we’ve been hearing about, then shows people talking about “Mojave” in general terms like, “I liked it.” So the only actual information the viewer takes away is the negative stuff they’ve already heard. Say what you will about the Mac vs. PC ads, at least those bring up only negative things about Windows and positive things about OS X.

11 MikieV { 08.15.08 at 1:47 pm }

M$ has a “Patch Tuesday” every month?

Every month?

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1708

The article opens with:

“Lost in the shuffle of this month’s Patch Tuesday barrage is the fact that a critical vulnerability in the ever-present Windows Media Player (WMP) was not fixed “because of a last minute quality issue.”

And closes with:

“The list above applies only to publicly known issues. Can you imagine what’s out there that’s not yet public?”

12 got nate? { 08.15.08 at 10:48 pm }

Roughly Drafted has 28% more made up statistics than slashdot. Your percentage ads up to 128%. :P

13 hylas { 08.15.08 at 11:08 pm }

Being stuck in Seattle WA, in 2000 (don’t ask :-), I had a choice of waiting to go to school in Vancouver B.C. or there.
I ended up in a UNIX (+ Linux) / Networking / System Administration track that included mandatory Microsoft training. This was the tail end of Windows NT 6(a) Servers and the introduction of Windows 2000 Servers / Client, so we got both.
In hindsight I’m glad I went through it, WIN2k was the best thing they ever put out.
It’s been a race to the bottom ever since, and I’ve never understood the obvious deviation from that promising model.
It all, since 2k, seems so “bolted on”, “theme enabled” and unnecessarily convoluted.
Windows 2000 showed some promise.
They should revive Xenix.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix

http://www.tenox.tc/tmp/ww/msxenix/pics/

14 David Dennis { 08.15.08 at 11:15 pm }

I checked out Vista under VMWare on my spiffy new MacBook Pro (yes, I finally changed to Intel only a year after everyone else), and I have to admit that I like the look better than XP.

I’m not getting many UAC messages but those I do get are every bit as annoying as they are in the Apple ads.

I wonder if anyone else has had this experience, since it’s so hard to describe, but ironically the biggest problem with the software seems to be the words on the screen. You can go from self congratulating welcome blather that tries to make everything simple to bewildering technical jargon in just a few clicks.

For instance, “Windows Defender” has a new feature that actually tells me what all those programs in its task manager do. You click on the program and a 20 line message comes up with the program’s full path name, when it was created, whether it’s part of Windows, and so on. At first, I thought this was kinda cool, since it does help diagnose problems. But wait a minute, it also has relevant information mixed in with irrelevant, and it feels like it was designed to dump all the data without any context or indication of why you’re seeing it.

It doesn’t seem to be able to make its mind between utter terseness and mind-bending verbosity. It’s like usability guru Jacob Neilsen says: People don’t like to read. I am normally an exception to this; I read almost constantly. But the writing style in Vista documentation doesn’t encourage exploration. It feels like writers were hired and paid by the pound.

Windows was not particularly slow (nor particularly fast) on my system, and even if it was slow, well, I’m running VMWare, have only 2GB RAM and a lot of other Leopard programs. On the other hand, I have not actually tried to get Vista to actually do anything other than load web pages and poke around preferences.

Microsoft has a way of making their interface look dumb, when you have a slick, fresh design and then two mouse clicks after it descends into something out of Windows 2000. But that was true of XP as well, so it’s nothing new with Vista.

Overall, Vista looks nicer. I like that. But something as little as the endless, badly written prose really turns me off. The writing makes me feel Vista has become much more complex, without offering me as a human being more.

I wonder if, other than driver issues, this is the real reason people hate Vista — just the writing and overall style, and overall incomprehensibility of the software, more than the software itself.

It’s easy to miss … but painful to go through every day.

I’d be very curious to know if anyone has similar thoughts, because my impressions are nothing like any other review of the product I’ve seen.

Thoughts?

D

15 amyhre { 08.16.08 at 7:36 pm }

The thing I find humorous about Microsoft using Flash instead of their own Silverlight isn’t that Flash is so entrenched that even Microsoft uses it (since we know they’d usually prefer to promote their own version of something and standards be damned) but the fact that it goes against what I’ve learned about salesmanship. Them using Flash is like a Pepsi-Cola exec who drinks RC Cola, or even promotes it. What it boils down to is that they fully believe in their own products and it’s much harder to sell a product you don’t believe in than one that you’re completely psyched-up about.

16 wrw { 08.16.08 at 10:16 pm }

Laugh now, but the real lesson to be learned is not so humorous. Here we have Microsoft with a major miscue on their bread and butter product and “at the end of the day”, as they often say, the world is changed not one whit. Windows is still the only OS on the retail shelf and the only thing that can be seen as wrong is that they lose some face in some corporations that are not eagerly moving to Vista and choosing to remain with XP until a suitable service pack appears.

How bad will they have to screw up to give Linux a chance? Could never happen, apparently. The worst that can happen has happened and it was not enough.

17 danieleran { 08.17.08 at 4:56 am }

@wrw: while Microsoft is making money on licenses for a product people aren’t using, the massive misstep of Vista is not irrelevant. There is also no service pack that will solve the problems users have with Vista: architectural problems like a whole new driver architecture.

Microsoft can count sold licenses and laugh its way to the bank, but users on XP are more likely to switch. Companies are already switching to Linux and evaluating Macs. Microsoft has another three years before it can crank out another big OS release, which is long time to go without meaningful Vista adoption.

If Apple had released Leopard to yawns and disinterest, it would only have another year to go before being able to offer its follow up. But Microsoft’s huge intervals between product releases not only incur risk, but ensure that the next release is going to be too big of a change for many users (particularly corporate customers) and not enough for consumers who want regular updates and enhancements. Both are going to go looking elsewhere.

At the end of the day, Microsoft is going to be stuck with nothing left than the high volume, low profit market that can’t afford to pay anything for Vista licenses. The enterprise is moving to Linux and the high end market is moving to the Mac.

It’s also a negative halo for the rest of Microsoft’s products, as I noted earlier, because it can’t push Zune/WiMo and other products when its Windows monopoly is falling apart.

18 harrywolf { 08.17.08 at 4:19 pm }

The Vista mess seems to have potentially opened a big hole in the market normally occupied by Windows; Apple will fill in some of this, but is it possible that a Linux OS for the cheap computer buyer can emerge to fill the gap also?

I wonder why Dell or HP, dont make their own OS from Linux?

If Apple wont license, and Windows falls apart, where will the rest go?
A the moment there isnt a credible option to Windows for the very low-budget, low-tech user. (Thats Daniels ‘high-volume, low-profit market’)

A lot of future thinking that many of us do comes to rest on the big question: IS Micro$ofts monopoly declining substantially?

How fast must it decline to actually induce change – as many more people get computers worldwide, M$ could do fine just picking up all those low-end users.

I just cant see them dropping below about 60-70%, but that, of course, would still mean a radically different market than today.

19 wrw { 08.17.08 at 5:55 pm }

I don’t really believe that any significant number of users are likely to switch from Windows on their desktop or regular laptop. I see the most likely course of victory for Linux to come from the adoption of “new” kinds of devices, for example the Asus eee style of light weight machine that people might use for specific purposes such as email or web access in lieu of a conventional machine. Here there is a whole new ballgame where what the users expect to see and will accept is up for grabs. If Windows doesn’t offer anything to justify its higher price, then the consumer is likely to pick the Linux version and the OEM is likely to offer nothing but the most economical versions.

Apparently Dell is adding a Linux-based “instant on” to some of its laptops as a standard feature, which to me is something significant.

I don’t see any hole in the “regular” market now, though and it is getting close to two years since the first introduction of Vista machines.

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33 SteveL { 09.23.08 at 1:47 am }

I have no doubt MS has stretched it’s advertising and statistics. However, I do take exception to your comment: ” … Microsoft should really stop lying about Mac security and vulnerability counts, because that kind of blatantly dishonest hypocrisy doesn’t help its case at all. …” as it relates to hypocrisy when you reference Windows 7 to the Seven Deadly sins. If your intention is to relay an accurate and professional response to a viewed injustice it is inappropriate to resort to cheap tactics yourself.

[My satirical comments about Microsoft are not on the same level of as Microsoft's official comments about its competitors. Also, I didn't lie. Microsoft willfully presented false information about vulnerability counts to deceive the public. ]

As for Windows Vista and it’s stability and security. I have used this product now for over a year and a half and have found it to be an improvement over Windows XP in many ways. I have tested various applications and hardware and have had only one crash, which was directly related to a hardware failure that required replacement. For those stuck in the PC world, for application dependant reasons, Vista is a fine product that will perform well. And while many may say “albeit with the right hardware” I challenge anyone to put a new operating system … Mac, Windows or Linux on an old piece of machinery and expect it to run well. For those making the switch to a Mac I wish them well and if it pushes Microsoft to be better then we all benefit.

[Vista has improved security, but the problem isn't that Vista isn't secure enough, it's that nobody is using it because of software/hardware compatibility issues, cost, and not having enough features to warrant buying it (or in the case of businesses, training and migration). Also, your experiences are clearly not reflective of the public at large, or everyone would be happy with Vista, no?]

34 wrw { 09.24.08 at 8:50 am }

“it’s that nobody is using it because of software/hardware compatibility issues, cost, and not having enough features to warrant buying it ”

It doesn’t seem like the facts are bearing that out. Vista sold on new machines performs adequately and meets buyer expectations due to the efforts of the OEMs involved. I do not believe that very many people have or will upgrade XP to Vista, particularly if they use the “upgrade advisor” which commonly points to so many issues that even the hardened computer geek is frightened off. But the retail units, I know, are not being returned at any exceptional rate and it has been a 18 months since retail outlets have shipped nothing but Vista computers.

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36 mrgaijinsan { 10.26.08 at 7:02 pm }

another problem with vista: CDs and DVDs (photos) burned on a vista box are unreadable on an OS X MacIntosh, i.e. they will not mount! some are (partially) recoverable with a file salvage app, but original file names are lost. I am the Mac user (thank God) and I am speaking of CDs/DVDs burned by three separate (unfortunate) vista users. It matters to me because I can’t see their photos and it matters to them because it has finally destroyed their (misplaced) faith in Microsoft. It is also embarrassing for them. Emailing thousands of large jpg files is not an option. CDs and DVDs burned on XP (or earlier) are all fine.

MacIntoshes have always been able to open PC disks (until Vista) but never the other way around. This PC chauvinism is curious and stupid.

I live in the Seattle area and know, through multiple sources, that Microsoft never beta tests anything, but rather inflicts that on the public. Each new OS is huger and slower. I also know that their corporate culture rewards mismanagement, incompetence, ignorance and back-stabbing mendacity. I like Bill, and don’t want to believe he would approve of what his company has become, but I could be wrong. Anyway, his charities absolve him of sin in my book. Still, a thorough house cleaning would make Microsoft better and more profitable. They could easily fire most middle management. Their customers should be happy, not beset by a never ending assault of viruses, spyware, patches and things that crash, like my poor friends have to endure.

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