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		<title>By: What, Where, When, Why &#38; How much - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - ThinkTeen Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>What, Where, When, Why &#38; How much - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - ThinkTeen Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (which bring the money into Apple, through hardware sales). It's talked about in depth by Daniel here so probably best to discuss it further, once i've started adding precis's of that series of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Dilger says &#8220;Microsoft&#8217;s customers are thieves&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Dilger says &#8220;Microsoft&#8217;s customers are thieves&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Microsoft&#8217;s Mojave Attempts to Wet Vista&#8217;s Desert &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft&#8217;s Mojave Attempts to Wet Vista&#8217;s Desert &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Myths of Snow Leopard 7: Free?! Microsoft Admits Windows Vista Mistakes, Criticizes Apple Ads - InformationWeek [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tgl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Big surprise: lots of people are stealing Leopard.

Daniel, I think you might have miscomputed this.  Doesn't Apple recognize OS sales revenue over multiple years?  (I can't immediately find a statement about this, but they certainly do that for some products such as iPhone.)  If so, your numbers do not prove that lots of thievery is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Big surprise: lots of people are stealing Leopard.</p>
<p>Daniel, I think you might have miscomputed this.  Doesn&#8217;t Apple recognize OS sales revenue over multiple years?  (I can&#8217;t immediately find a statement about this, but they certainly do that for some products such as iPhone.)  If so, your numbers do not prove that lots of thievery is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: John Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well here's a chart of Mac sales, quarter by quarter, for the last decade:
http://lowendmac.com/musings/08mm/art/mac-sales-by-qaurter.gif

(Unfortunately misspelled, but I've seen the data charted before and it's accurate!)

Jaguar sits in the middle of that time frame, from 2002-2003. Mac sales were essentially flat-lining at that time.

What isn't in those numbers, I'll admit, is retail copies of Jaguar. If you can dig those up and compare with Panther then we're talking.

I should also point out that one of the Macs sold in the Jaguar era was my very first one. A 12" PowerBook I happen to still be using this afternoon! But the surge of sales only really came about with Tiger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well here&#8217;s a chart of Mac sales, quarter by quarter, for the last decade:<br />
<a href="http://lowendmac.com/musings/08mm/art/mac-sales-by-qaurter.gif" rel="nofollow">http://lowendmac.com/musings/08mm/art/mac-sales-by-qaurter.gif</a></p>
<p>(Unfortunately misspelled, but I&#8217;ve seen the data charted before and it&#8217;s accurate!)</p>
<p>Jaguar sits in the middle of that time frame, from 2002-2003. Mac sales were essentially flat-lining at that time.</p>
<p>What isn&#8217;t in those numbers, I&#8217;ll admit, is retail copies of Jaguar. If you can dig those up and compare with Panther then we&#8217;re talking.</p>
<p>I should also point out that one of the Macs sold in the Jaguar era was my very first one. A 12&#8243; PowerBook I happen to still be using this afternoon! But the surge of sales only really came about with Tiger.</p>
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		<title>By: rufwork</title>
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		<dc:creator>rufwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Muir

Yes, but did whining mean fewer sales?

That said, I can't argue your final comment.</description>
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<p>Yes, but did whining mean fewer sales?</p>
<p>That said, I can&#8217;t argue your final comment.</p>
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		<title>By: John Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rufwork 

There was actually a lot of whining at the time 10.2 came out. It was right then that the "OS X update tax" myth became established, asserting that Apple charge everyone for regular service packs while MS drops them for free. Even with Tiger lasting for years, that myth hasn't entirely subsided. All caused by 10.1 being a free "update", and 10.2 costing the full $129 irrespective of any previous versions you had.

10.6 will cost $129.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rufwork </p>
<p>There was actually a lot of whining at the time 10.2 came out. It was right then that the &#8220;OS X update tax&#8221; myth became established, asserting that Apple charge everyone for regular service packs while MS drops them for free. Even with Tiger lasting for years, that myth hasn&#8217;t entirely subsided. All caused by 10.1 being a free &#8220;update&#8221;, and 10.2 costing the full $129 irrespective of any previous versions you had.</p>
<p>10.6 will cost $129.</p>
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		<title>By: rufwork</title>
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		<dc:creator>rufwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"1. Selling Snow Leopard for Less Would Make Selling 10.7 at Regular Price Rather Difficult."

10.1 was a free upgrade if you went to the store to pick it up.  10.2+ seem to have sold fairly well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. Selling Snow Leopard for Less Would Make Selling 10.7 at Regular Price Rather Difficult.&#8221;</p>
<p>10.1 was a free upgrade if you went to the store to pick it up.  10.2+ seem to have sold fairly well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Apple won't; it's not Apple's style. But they should.

Running the latest, greatest OS incites word of mouth for Macs and word of mouth is the biggest marketing boost. Apple should get its OS into as many hands as possible because those hands will only multiply sales as so many sales are switchers. Raising Mac sales 2% would bring in more money than selling individual OS copies.

Secondly, with iPhone, Apple is in an important historical place where they can woo developers. The more users running 10.6 and few running &#60;10.6, the more attractive the platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Apple won&#8217;t; it&#8217;s not Apple&#8217;s style. But they should.</p>
<p>Running the latest, greatest OS incites word of mouth for Macs and word of mouth is the biggest marketing boost. Apple should get its OS into as many hands as possible because those hands will only multiply sales as so many sales are switchers. Raising Mac sales 2% would bring in more money than selling individual OS copies.</p>
<p>Secondly, with iPhone, Apple is in an important historical place where they can woo developers. The more users running 10.6 and few running &lt;10.6, the more attractive the platform.</p>
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		<title>By: John Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ LunaticSX 

Correct.

I did actually try XP on a 1999 vintage laptop once, and to say it was a painful experience is but a polite understatement. Horror, pain and anxiety, all while just trying to run a plain and unremarkable OS. One released when that K6-II was just two years old in 2001.

Meanwhile I've run Tiger on two 1999 Macs, a 400 MHz iMac and a 400 MHz B&#38;W G3. Runs like a charm. An OS from 2005 running nicely on six year old equipment.

The idea that Windows is kind to old hardware is a load of bull. I wouldn't be surprised if it arose during 2001-2007 while XP was all there was, and made new hardware look lacklustre. Little did they know what Vista would bring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ LunaticSX </p>
<p>Correct.</p>
<p>I did actually try XP on a 1999 vintage laptop once, and to say it was a painful experience is but a polite understatement. Horror, pain and anxiety, all while just trying to run a plain and unremarkable OS. One released when that K6-II was just two years old in 2001.</p>
<p>Meanwhile I&#8217;ve run Tiger on two 1999 Macs, a 400 MHz iMac and a 400 MHz B&amp;W G3. Runs like a charm. An OS from 2005 running nicely on six year old equipment.</p>
<p>The idea that Windows is kind to old hardware is a load of bull. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it arose during 2001-2007 while XP was all there was, and made new hardware look lacklustre. Little did they know what Vista would bring!</p>
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