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		<title>By: What, Where, When, Why &#38; How much - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - ThinkTeen Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>What, Where, When, Why &#38; How much - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - ThinkTeen Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Myths of Snow Leopard 3: Mac Sidelined for iPhone June 19th, 2008   It&#039;s not like the iPhone is getting much attention, is it? With limited comments on Snow Leopard (due mid 2009) there is a myth that Apple is de-emphasizing the Mac as it focuses attention on the iPhone.  Snow Leopard is marketed currently as &#8220;taking a break&#8221; from adding major new marketing features. But this is just a supposed lack of new features (maybe just a good case of unde sell, over deliver). &quot;Software sells systems&quot; ...  Daniel&#039;s angle? &quot;Apple postponed Leopard&#8217;s release on the Mac in order to prepare for the iPhone debut, not because it decided Mac sales weren&#8217;t important, but because Mac sales were through the roof and didn&#8217;t need Leopard to accelerate them.&quot;  In comparison, look at bad-selling, over-selling and fraudulent mis-selling of Vista, e.g. the &quot;Vista Capable&quot; PC problem, an ongoing legal case currently, or XP sales going down as Vista (you can &quot;buy&quot; Vista, and then downgrade&quot; to XP).   Apple did have record unit sales in 2007. And Apple doesn&#039;t make too much money on OS sales, it makes money on systems, hardware. The iPhone might well have been rushed out, and needed more attention, but that hasn&#039;t taken Apple&#039;s long term focus off the Mac side of Apple either. With the iPhone released, Leopard sold well, and was as the author of the article said, &quot;fashionably late&quot;.  iPods and iPhones have helped sales of other Apple products, helped finance retail store rollout, and widened the potential audience for the Mac. They have driven buyers to the iTunes Store, and to Safari. iPod sales are still high, despite the addition of millions of new iPhones. No need to talk about cannabilism of sales.   Also, the iPhone has also been reaching out to persuade Windows users to consider the Mac platform. Daniel didn&#039;t provide hard numbers, but i&#039;d imagine they aren&#039;t too hard to come by - the number of people converted to Mac is growing, and the hardware sales are on decent profit margin devices (e.g. the cornering of the &gt;$1,000 pound laptop market, the mp3 player market)  Another effect is that as consumers and execs become iPhone users, this increases the audience for the upcoming App Store, which in turn feeds into the appeal for developers to work on apps for iPhone, giving them a taste of Obj C, and Apple&#8217;s Cocoa development tools.  The R&amp;D from the iPhone, iPod and iMac have all been &quot;cross pollinating&quot; in terms of technology as well. Knowledge can be passed between the device areas, and integration can be created.   Apple&#039;s development of an entirely new interface paradigm for the iPhone OS, may well yet feedback to OS X. I&#039;d think that the iPhone&#8217;s UIKit, and SDK will benefit the Mac OS X AppKit (e.g. adding the modern convention of properties as a way to simplify the class interfaces for the iPhone, and then adding properties to the desktop AppKit in Leopard.)  Daniel comments that QuickTime X (on Snow Leopard) is another example of repurposing code retooled for the iPhone to provide a highly efficient media playback. The extensive work on developing push support for Exchange Server on the iPhone, will be included in other ways, as Exchange support baked into Snow Leopard. MobileMe&#039;s mayb well be helpful in terms of research done/tools etc. for Snow Leopard Server&#8217;s push services.  Apple&#8217;s new Push Notification Service, allows iPhone &amp; iPod touch users to set up server side notification alerts that don&#8217;t require any mobile applications to stay running in the background. Along with Bonjour discovery, PNS will keep iPhones wirelessly connected in all sorts of sophisticated ways that third party developers imagine in their applications.  Why couldn&#039;t this be used in Snow Leopard too? The point is, the technologies Apple is working on is flowing back and forth within the business it seems, helping not only share and build upon existing ideas, but also create combined value that is greater than the sum of its parts.   We&#039;ll have to wait for Snow Leopard. But seeing as it&#039;s slated to arrive before Vista&#039;s successor, and the fact that Apple at any time will be able to drop more hints to the consumer, and beta versions to developers, no-one should be worried Apple is forgetting about the Mac platform. Apple&#039;s aim is to do a few things, well.   __________________ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Myths of Snow Leopard 3: Mac Sidelined for iPhone June 19th, 2008   It&#8217;s not like the iPhone is getting much attention, is it? With limited comments on Snow Leopard (due mid 2009) there is a myth that Apple is de-emphasizing the Mac as it focuses attention on the iPhone.  Snow Leopard is marketed currently as &#8220;taking a break&#8221; from adding major new marketing features. But this is just a supposed lack of new features (maybe just a good case of unde sell, over deliver). &quot;Software sells systems&quot; &#8230;  Daniel&#8217;s angle? &quot;Apple postponed Leopard&#8217;s release on the Mac in order to prepare for the iPhone debut, not because it decided Mac sales weren&#8217;t important, but because Mac sales were through the roof and didn&#8217;t need Leopard to accelerate them.&quot;  In comparison, look at bad-selling, over-selling and fraudulent mis-selling of Vista, e.g. the &quot;Vista Capable&quot; PC problem, an ongoing legal case currently, or XP sales going down as Vista (you can &quot;buy&quot; Vista, and then downgrade&quot; to XP).   Apple did have record unit sales in 2007. And Apple doesn&#8217;t make too much money on OS sales, it makes money on systems, hardware. The iPhone might well have been rushed out, and needed more attention, but that hasn&#8217;t taken Apple&#8217;s long term focus off the Mac side of Apple either. With the iPhone released, Leopard sold well, and was as the author of the article said, &quot;fashionably late&quot;.  iPods and iPhones have helped sales of other Apple products, helped finance retail store rollout, and widened the potential audience for the Mac. They have driven buyers to the iTunes Store, and to Safari. iPod sales are still high, despite the addition of millions of new iPhones. No need to talk about cannabilism of sales.   Also, the iPhone has also been reaching out to persuade Windows users to consider the Mac platform. Daniel didn&#8217;t provide hard numbers, but i&#8217;d imagine they aren&#8217;t too hard to come by &#8211; the number of people converted to Mac is growing, and the hardware sales are on decent profit margin devices (e.g. the cornering of the &gt;$1,000 pound laptop market, the mp3 player market)  Another effect is that as consumers and execs become iPhone users, this increases the audience for the upcoming App Store, which in turn feeds into the appeal for developers to work on apps for iPhone, giving them a taste of Obj C, and Apple&#8217;s Cocoa development tools.  The R&amp;D from the iPhone, iPod and iMac have all been &quot;cross pollinating&quot; in terms of technology as well. Knowledge can be passed between the device areas, and integration can be created.   Apple&#8217;s development of an entirely new interface paradigm for the iPhone OS, may well yet feedback to OS X. I&#8217;d think that the iPhone&#8217;s UIKit, and SDK will benefit the Mac OS X AppKit (e.g. adding the modern convention of properties as a way to simplify the class interfaces for the iPhone, and then adding properties to the desktop AppKit in Leopard.)  Daniel comments that QuickTime X (on Snow Leopard) is another example of repurposing code retooled for the iPhone to provide a highly efficient media playback. The extensive work on developing push support for Exchange Server on the iPhone, will be included in other ways, as Exchange support baked into Snow Leopard. MobileMe&#8217;s mayb well be helpful in terms of research done/tools etc. for Snow Leopard Server&#8217;s push services.  Apple&#8217;s new Push Notification Service, allows iPhone &amp; iPod touch users to set up server side notification alerts that don&#8217;t require any mobile applications to stay running in the background. Along with Bonjour discovery, PNS will keep iPhones wirelessly connected in all sorts of sophisticated ways that third party developers imagine in their applications.  Why couldn&#8217;t this be used in Snow Leopard too? The point is, the technologies Apple is working on is flowing back and forth within the business it seems, helping not only share and build upon existing ideas, but also create combined value that is greater than the sum of its parts.   We&#8217;ll have to wait for Snow Leopard. But seeing as it&#8217;s slated to arrive before Vista&#8217;s successor, and the fact that Apple at any time will be able to drop more hints to the consumer, and beta versions to developers, no-one should be worried Apple is forgetting about the Mac platform. Apple&#8217;s aim is to do a few things, well.   __________________ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Next from Apple: New iPods Sept 22, iPhone OS 2.1, iTunes 8.0 &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Next from Apple: New iPods Sept 22, iPhone OS 2.1, iTunes 8.0 &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: douggro</title>
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		<dc:creator>douggro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great series of articles, and some interesting feedback on them as well!

Whether it is by strategic intent or just a consequence of an evolution in product advancement and marketing, what has happened with Apple is a synthesis where the hardware products that Apple sells end up drawing more users to the Apple camp. This is nowhere more clear than with the iPod and the iPhone/iPod Touch.

Purchasers of an iPod or iPhone are introduced to the Apple way of doing things, albeit somewhat under-handedly, by requiring the use of iTunes for those products. Praise has to be given to Apple for keeping the interface of iTunes (relatively) consistent between the Mac and Windows versions of the application; it is that consistency that delivers the &quot;taste&quot; of the Apple way software integrates with hardware in a simple, understandable way that leads to the &quot;switchers&quot; moving from the Windows PC camp to the Apple side. I have seen this happen many times - someone I know will get an iPod or iPhone and it will open the door for them to consider switching to a Mac as their next computer purchase. Case in point is one of my vendor reps who just got an iPhone: he loves the device and the interface, the simplicity of use. Now he wants to get a Mac, and I can&#039;t blame him.

There is, however, a justifiable concern that Apple needs to pay attention to how this surge in product popularity and market growth doesn&#039;t overwhelm or blind them to maintaining their focus on delivering quality hardware and, particularly, software.

I have no doubt that there will be a minimal amount of new features in Snow Leopard, even if they are just &quot;eye candy&quot; - that will be required as an additional selling point for Snow Leopard to the general population of Intel-based Mac users beyond the optimization to 64-bit and integral support for Exchange. It would be disappointing, though, to see nothing addressed in regards to tightening up the security of the MacOS since it appears at face value that Apple has turned a deaf ear to the fact that security holes do exist, whether it be through Web exploits or in the underpinnings of Core Services. Granted, this is an ongoing evolution between those seeking to find holes in the security of the OS and applications and those charged with plugging them, but we have to admit that Apple has taken a rather stand-offish, arrogant stance in the matter. Being more up-front and responsive to these facts would go a long way to improve Apple&#039;s image to the community at-large.

Any company is going to make mistakes, and Apple is no exception. (The recent debacle of the MobileMe roll-out is a prime example.) What is important is that Apple not forget the mistakes that it has made in the past and to also examine the mistakes of others, and to chart a path that keeps them aimed at making the Macintosh and the MacOS the best products it can that users will appreciate for maintaining the level of user-experience that Apple has the reputation for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great series of articles, and some interesting feedback on them as well!</p>
<p>Whether it is by strategic intent or just a consequence of an evolution in product advancement and marketing, what has happened with Apple is a synthesis where the hardware products that Apple sells end up drawing more users to the Apple camp. This is nowhere more clear than with the iPod and the iPhone/iPod Touch.</p>
<p>Purchasers of an iPod or iPhone are introduced to the Apple way of doing things, albeit somewhat under-handedly, by requiring the use of iTunes for those products. Praise has to be given to Apple for keeping the interface of iTunes (relatively) consistent between the Mac and Windows versions of the application; it is that consistency that delivers the &#8220;taste&#8221; of the Apple way software integrates with hardware in a simple, understandable way that leads to the &#8220;switchers&#8221; moving from the Windows PC camp to the Apple side. I have seen this happen many times &#8211; someone I know will get an iPod or iPhone and it will open the door for them to consider switching to a Mac as their next computer purchase. Case in point is one of my vendor reps who just got an iPhone: he loves the device and the interface, the simplicity of use. Now he wants to get a Mac, and I can&#8217;t blame him.</p>
<p>There is, however, a justifiable concern that Apple needs to pay attention to how this surge in product popularity and market growth doesn&#8217;t overwhelm or blind them to maintaining their focus on delivering quality hardware and, particularly, software.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that there will be a minimal amount of new features in Snow Leopard, even if they are just &#8220;eye candy&#8221; &#8211; that will be required as an additional selling point for Snow Leopard to the general population of Intel-based Mac users beyond the optimization to 64-bit and integral support for Exchange. It would be disappointing, though, to see nothing addressed in regards to tightening up the security of the MacOS since it appears at face value that Apple has turned a deaf ear to the fact that security holes do exist, whether it be through Web exploits or in the underpinnings of Core Services. Granted, this is an ongoing evolution between those seeking to find holes in the security of the OS and applications and those charged with plugging them, but we have to admit that Apple has taken a rather stand-offish, arrogant stance in the matter. Being more up-front and responsive to these facts would go a long way to improve Apple&#8217;s image to the community at-large.</p>
<p>Any company is going to make mistakes, and Apple is no exception. (The recent debacle of the MobileMe roll-out is a prime example.) What is important is that Apple not forget the mistakes that it has made in the past and to also examine the mistakes of others, and to chart a path that keeps them aimed at making the Macintosh and the MacOS the best products it can that users will appreciate for maintaining the level of user-experience that Apple has the reputation for.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kruit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kruit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, excellent article. Totally agree.</description>
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		<title>By: Myths of Snow Leopard 1: PowerPC Support &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myths of Snow Leopard 1: PowerPC Support &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Snow Leopard 1: PowerPC Support — RoughlyDrafted Magazine Myths of Snow Leopard 2: 32-bit Support Myths of Snow Leopard 3: Mac Sidelined for iPhone Myths of Snow Leopard 4: Exchange is the Only New Feature! Myths of Snow Leopard 5: No [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cocoa for Windows + Flash Killer = SproutCore &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cocoa for Windows + Flash Killer = SproutCore &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Snow Leopard 1: PowerPC Support — RoughlyDrafted Magazine Myths of Snow Leopard 2: 32-bit Support Myths of Snow Leopard 3: Mac Sidelined for iPhone Myths of Snow Leopard 4: Exchange is the Only New Feature! Myths of Snow Leopard 5: No [...]</description>
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		<title>By: danieleran</title>
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		<dc:creator>danieleran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pecos Bill - 

Where did you find a misleading mention of multitasking or an implied UI for notification services? 

&quot;There is a fourth application of push: Apple’s new Push Notification Service, which allows iPhone and iPod touch users to set up server side notification alerts that don’t require any mobile applications to stay running in the background.&quot;

PNS actually does have a UI, but it is managed by the system rather than by applications: badges that increment the number of notifications on an app&#039;s icon or SMS-style popups. 

If you find something not worded right outside of that, point it out and I can clarify or correct it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pecos Bill &#8211; </p>
<p>Where did you find a misleading mention of multitasking or an implied UI for notification services? </p>
<p>&#8220;There is a fourth application of push: Apple’s new Push Notification Service, which allows iPhone and iPod touch users to set up server side notification alerts that don’t require any mobile applications to stay running in the background.&#8221;</p>
<p>PNS actually does have a UI, but it is managed by the system rather than by applications: badges that increment the number of notifications on an app&#8217;s icon or SMS-style popups. </p>
<p>If you find something not worded right outside of that, point it out and I can clarify or correct it.</p>
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		<title>By: pecos.bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>pecos.bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@D.E.D.: Not quite! The comment above about multitasking is misleading. The iPhone does multi-task but is limited to privileged services so the foreground app is not CPU starved.

One of those services, Push Notification, will not have a UI as implied above. It&#039;s only intended for developers to manage connections while their apps are not running (persisting connections). Apps will be updated when they are resumed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@D.E.D.: Not quite! The comment above about multitasking is misleading. The iPhone does multi-task but is limited to privileged services so the foreground app is not CPU starved.</p>
<p>One of those services, Push Notification, will not have a UI as implied above. It&#8217;s only intended for developers to manage connections while their apps are not running (persisting connections). Apps will be updated when they are resumed.</p>
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		<title>By: Berend Schotanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berend Schotanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple is optimizing its core OS. Or rather trying to discover Universal Principles that lies behind our world. The assumption is that the same basic principles can be found behind a desktop PC and a smartphone. Just by accepting the idea new basic principles can be discovered Apple is behaving like a kind of 15th century Discovery Sailor: there is a new world to be discovered when we want to take the risk and open our eyes.

The Pundits on the other hand think we know everything already. PC&#039;s and smartphones are like apples and oranges: two entirely different things. So when you start bothering about Smart-phones you are probably neglecting PC&#039;s. In their mindset thats a logical consequence.
Sure it is a provocation to say PC&#039;s and smartphones are like apples and apples that both can be sold under the Apple brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple is optimizing its core OS. Or rather trying to discover Universal Principles that lies behind our world. The assumption is that the same basic principles can be found behind a desktop PC and a smartphone. Just by accepting the idea new basic principles can be discovered Apple is behaving like a kind of 15th century Discovery Sailor: there is a new world to be discovered when we want to take the risk and open our eyes.</p>
<p>The Pundits on the other hand think we know everything already. PC&#8217;s and smartphones are like apples and oranges: two entirely different things. So when you start bothering about Smart-phones you are probably neglecting PC&#8217;s. In their mindset thats a logical consequence.<br />
Sure it is a provocation to say PC&#8217;s and smartphones are like apples and apples that both can be sold under the Apple brand.</p>
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		<title>By: solipsism</title>
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		<dc:creator>solipsism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ PerGrenerfors,

You&#039;re thinking of compact vans. While in many ways similar to minivans, the term was coined in the US to differentiate them as a new class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ PerGrenerfors,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re thinking of compact vans. While in many ways similar to minivans, the term was coined in the US to differentiate them as a new class.</p>
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