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	<title>Comments on: The Street: Steve Jobs Health Fears Key to Our Stock Manipulation Game</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
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		<title>By: #Jon #Stewart exposes #Apple #stock #manipulation &#124; FW</title>
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		<dc:creator>#Jon #Stewart exposes #Apple #stock #manipulation &#124; FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mid 80s, he would have been slamming Apple for not acting quicker to rid itself of Jobs,&#8221; a report on Cramer&#8217;s take noted.      Share this Post                       Hide [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bove&#8217;s Blips &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Steve Jobs Only Had a Hangover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bove&#8217;s Blips &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Steve Jobs Only Had a Hangover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;serious&#8221; reports about the health of Apple CEO Steve Jobs over the summer (such as Cramer&#8217;s stock manipulation game and Businessweek&#8217;s The Real Issue About Steve&#8217;s Health), and the mistakenly published [...]</description>
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		<title>By: michael shriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael shriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about Steve Jobs?? health in the context of Apple??s future viability as a company. Torabi set uphttp://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/06/18/the-street-steve-jobs-health-fears-key-to-our-stock-manipul...Michael David Fried Frank Harris Shriver &amp;amp Jacobson PatentsThe following is a sampling of recent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about Steve Jobs?? health in the context of Apple??s future viability as a company. Torabi set uphttp://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/06/18/the-street-steve-jobs-health-fears-key-to-our-stock-manipul&#8230;Michael David Fried Frank Harris Shriver &#38;amp Jacobson PatentsThe following is a sampling of recent [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DoctorOtto</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoctorOtto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, if I were Steve Jobs, I would get some of my Hollywood friends to do a makeup job on me the morning of the next big keynote, and I&#039;d walk out on stage in a great big fat suit. Black mock turtleneck and jeans, and looking about 400, 450 lbs. Waddle out there like PC in that one bloatware commercial. I mean no offense to anyone out there who might be a few pounds over their ideal weight, but this idiocy has got to stop. Plus, &quot;There&#039;s a big difference between all dead and mostly dead.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, if I were Steve Jobs, I would get some of my Hollywood friends to do a makeup job on me the morning of the next big keynote, and I&#8217;d walk out on stage in a great big fat suit. Black mock turtleneck and jeans, and looking about 400, 450 lbs. Waddle out there like PC in that one bloatware commercial. I mean no offense to anyone out there who might be a few pounds over their ideal weight, but this idiocy has got to stop. Plus, &#8220;There&#8217;s a big difference between all dead and mostly dead.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: marsviolet</title>
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		<dc:creator>marsviolet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ worker201

A 20 year plan might say, &quot;Enter the cell phone market,&quot; but without a visionary guy like Jobs there to call the shots you&#039;ll never end up with an iPhone. Look at the market today. A hundred million copycat piles of barely functional commodity crap . . . plus the iPhone. Take Jobs out of the equation and all you have are those hundred million copycat piles of barely functional commodity crap.</description>
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<p>A 20 year plan might say, &#8220;Enter the cell phone market,&#8221; but without a visionary guy like Jobs there to call the shots you&#8217;ll never end up with an iPhone. Look at the market today. A hundred million copycat piles of barely functional commodity crap . . . plus the iPhone. Take Jobs out of the equation and all you have are those hundred million copycat piles of barely functional commodity crap.</p>
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		<title>By: worker201</title>
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		<dc:creator>worker201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion, but I think it&#039;s all irrelevant.  You&#039;re kidding yourself if you think Jobs hasn&#039;t laid out a 20 year plan, with product release dates and technology investment strategies already etched in stone.  Much like God/Allah/etc, his plan is incomprehensible to most of us, but you know it&#039;s there.  If Jobs were to die or step down, it would be like a nuclear submarine - the safe containing the secret codes and executive orders would be opened, and the troops would keep on doing exactly what they are supposed to do.

As an aside, I hope other companies are learning from Apple.  While we can all agree that Steve Jobs is a creative visionary with an eerie 6th sense, he can&#039;t be the only one of his kind out there.  Yet no other companies seem to put guys like him in the driver&#039;s seat.  It&#039;s all red ink and policy wankers.  If more companies started valuing ideas over Dilbert-style micromanagement, the world would be a much better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion, but I think it&#8217;s all irrelevant.  You&#8217;re kidding yourself if you think Jobs hasn&#8217;t laid out a 20 year plan, with product release dates and technology investment strategies already etched in stone.  Much like God/Allah/etc, his plan is incomprehensible to most of us, but you know it&#8217;s there.  If Jobs were to die or step down, it would be like a nuclear submarine &#8211; the safe containing the secret codes and executive orders would be opened, and the troops would keep on doing exactly what they are supposed to do.</p>
<p>As an aside, I hope other companies are learning from Apple.  While we can all agree that Steve Jobs is a creative visionary with an eerie 6th sense, he can&#8217;t be the only one of his kind out there.  Yet no other companies seem to put guys like him in the driver&#8217;s seat.  It&#8217;s all red ink and policy wankers.  If more companies started valuing ideas over Dilbert-style micromanagement, the world would be a much better place.</p>
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		<title>By: MikieV</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikieV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobs&#039; health is a legitimate concern for investors - sadly - only because so many &quot;investors&quot; would sell APPL in a panic if anything was perceived to reduce/impair his running of the company.

But, -rational- investors took note of that when Jobs&#039; pancreatic cancer was announced, and factored it into their investment strategy... the same as they would for Michael Dell&#039;s comings/goings at his namesake company. Or, the supposed exodus of creative people from Yahoo...

I just can&#039;t stand Cramer&#039;s theatrics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobs&#8217; health is a legitimate concern for investors &#8211; sadly &#8211; only because so many &#8220;investors&#8221; would sell APPL in a panic if anything was perceived to reduce/impair his running of the company.</p>
<p>But, -rational- investors took note of that when Jobs&#8217; pancreatic cancer was announced, and factored it into their investment strategy&#8230; the same as they would for Michael Dell&#8217;s comings/goings at his namesake company. Or, the supposed exodus of creative people from Yahoo&#8230;</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t stand Cramer&#8217;s theatrics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: drx1</title>
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		<dc:creator>drx1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Steve is gone (maybe he goes off the grid and lives in Boliva) ...  Apple&#039;s stock goes down, yet the iPhone 3G goes nuts (in a good way) and they sell 35 million in 09.  Apple&#039;s stock goes up, but think overall Apple will slowly decline like they did in the &#039;90s.... maybe they have a Jobs2 in backup - maybe someone will rise to the occasion, but as we saw in the 90&#039;s, nobody really did any better and most were far worse (even when Jobs was a rookie).

I do think its funny about the Jobs never wearing makeup ... it does prove a point - he&#039;s not as much smoke &amp; mirrors and people think ... and it is important, since this whole issue of &quot;how Steve looks&quot; is front an center since WWDC keynote.

Cramer is a nut.
Jobs is a visionary.

Certainly Jobs didnt design much (if any) of the new products, but he approved them and probably made them 100% better than they would have been ...  it is questionable if anyone else can do as good.  Looks at B Gates/S Ballmer at MS ...  Gates is stepping out and MS is floundering (this may not be related, however it is interesting).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Steve is gone (maybe he goes off the grid and lives in Boliva) &#8230;  Apple&#8217;s stock goes down, yet the iPhone 3G goes nuts (in a good way) and they sell 35 million in 09.  Apple&#8217;s stock goes up, but think overall Apple will slowly decline like they did in the &#8217;90s&#8230;. maybe they have a Jobs2 in backup &#8211; maybe someone will rise to the occasion, but as we saw in the 90&#8217;s, nobody really did any better and most were far worse (even when Jobs was a rookie).</p>
<p>I do think its funny about the Jobs never wearing makeup &#8230; it does prove a point &#8211; he&#8217;s not as much smoke &amp; mirrors and people think &#8230; and it is important, since this whole issue of &#8220;how Steve looks&#8221; is front an center since WWDC keynote.</p>
<p>Cramer is a nut.<br />
Jobs is a visionary.</p>
<p>Certainly Jobs didnt design much (if any) of the new products, but he approved them and probably made them 100% better than they would have been &#8230;  it is questionable if anyone else can do as good.  Looks at B Gates/S Ballmer at MS &#8230;  Gates is stepping out and MS is floundering (this may not be related, however it is interesting).</p>
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		<title>By: mac games</title>
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		<dc:creator>mac games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marsviolet</title>
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		<dc:creator>marsviolet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, Cramer&#039;s a nut, but in this case he is, like a stopped clock, actually right for once about how critical Jobs is to Apple&#039;s success. All those artists and craftsmen would flounder without Jobs giving them direction. I can&#039;t stress this strongly enough. It&#039;s a terrible mistake to underestimate his importance. It&#039;s like taking Disney out of Disney — when Walt died the company never recovered. They floundered for 20 years, and although Disney as a corporation eventually grew in size and the stock went up, the magic was gone. Disney hasn&#039;t done anything truly great since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, Cramer&#8217;s a nut, but in this case he is, like a stopped clock, actually right for once about how critical Jobs is to Apple&#8217;s success. All those artists and craftsmen would flounder without Jobs giving them direction. I can&#8217;t stress this strongly enough. It&#8217;s a terrible mistake to underestimate his importance. It&#8217;s like taking Disney out of Disney — when Walt died the company never recovered. They floundered for 20 years, and although Disney as a corporation eventually grew in size and the stock went up, the magic was gone. Disney hasn&#8217;t done anything truly great since.</p>
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