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		<title>By: &#187; Easing over to open software platforms -- Coevolving Innovations -- Blog Archive -- &#8230; in Business Organizations and Information Technologies</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Easing over to open software platforms -- Coevolving Innovations -- Blog Archive -- &#8230; in Business Organizations and Information Technologies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] IBM Research, there&#039;s been a pilot program to try out Macs. While Thinkpads used to be the only choice for IBM employees, IBM sold its PC division to Lenovo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Easing over to open software platforms -- Coevolving Innovations -- Blog Archive -- &#8230; in Business Organizations and Information Technologies</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Easing over to open software platforms -- Coevolving Innovations -- Blog Archive -- &#8230; in Business Organizations and Information Technologies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] IBM Research, there&#039;s been a pilot program to try out Macs. While Thinkpads used to be the only choice for IBM employees, IBM sold its PC division to Lenovo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MP: Mac OS adoption rate in the enterprise increases and accelerates &#124; Macro Principles</title>
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		<dc:creator>MP: Mac OS adoption rate in the enterprise increases and accelerates &#124; Macro Principles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] IBM launches a pilot program to bring Macs inside: the highly positive results direct from IBM (86% of the pilot users preferred to keep their Mac at the end) and a more strategic view [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Partners in Grime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Partners in Grime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The district I work for prohibits me from bringing my Mac laptop to work, let alone allowing me to connect it to their antiquated Windows network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The district I work for prohibits me from bringing my Mac laptop to work, let alone allowing me to connect it to their antiquated Windows network.</p>
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		<title>By: see-m</title>
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		<dc:creator>see-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK seems to be much speculation here. 

You must remember that IBM is not a Microsoft shop.  Never has been. Folks associate IBM with the PC, and therefore Microsoft. Do not forget that the height of its PC days IBM was OS/2, about as non-Microsoft as you get. 

IBM is not in the PC business, IBM does not make PCs. It sold that off years ago. IBM is a huge proponent of UNIX, and produces many flavors or UNIX for its many server lines, and of course Linux.  IBMs strength comes from its ability, in both software and services, to support heterogenous environments, making them work together.   It also supports Windows Server on its x-Series of servers. 

 Internally, most employees get Thinkpads, as I suspect we still get good deals as part of the sell-off, though as time goes on and the sell off of the PC company gets further in the past, this may change, but I have no info on that.

You mention 1600 employees on Mac. I think you will find that this is actually referring to 1600 employees in the Mac user group. These are folks interested in Mac, and have joined an internal user group. It doesn&#039;t mean they have been issued a Mac for work, in fact I suspect most have not. The Mac@IBM site is employee run, not official internal support...think of it as hints and tips like you read here. (I am a member, and have a personal Mac at home, not one for work).  

There are people with Macs, just as there are at any large corportation, and yes IBM pays for them if there is a valid business justification.  Otherwise, the standard machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad, which is fully supported by IT. Mac is not to my knowledge.

You also mention IBM employees getting discounts on Macs, or swapping our Thinkpads for Macs. I know of no swap program for any company issued PC, Mac or Thinkpad. But we do indeed get discounts on Macs. We also get discounts on Fords, Chevy&#039;s ,Saabs, TVs, stereos and Walt Disney World park tickets, thru corporate benefits programs. The discounts are not that great, so don&#039;t get jealous. It won&#039;t cause you to buy a Mac over a Dell if you are not inclined to do so in the first place.

I disagree with your tone that seems to suggest there is some big Mac movement in IBM. I don&#039;t see it. But, there are movements in IBM to support what  customers use to run their business, as it always has been. As Macs become more prevelant in customer shops, they likely will in IBM too. I suspect that is the strategy, if any at work, not some targeted Mac effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK seems to be much speculation here. </p>
<p>You must remember that IBM is not a Microsoft shop.  Never has been. Folks associate IBM with the PC, and therefore Microsoft. Do not forget that the height of its PC days IBM was OS/2, about as non-Microsoft as you get. </p>
<p>IBM is not in the PC business, IBM does not make PCs. It sold that off years ago. IBM is a huge proponent of UNIX, and produces many flavors or UNIX for its many server lines, and of course Linux.  IBMs strength comes from its ability, in both software and services, to support heterogenous environments, making them work together.   It also supports Windows Server on its x-Series of servers. </p>
<p> Internally, most employees get Thinkpads, as I suspect we still get good deals as part of the sell-off, though as time goes on and the sell off of the PC company gets further in the past, this may change, but I have no info on that.</p>
<p>You mention 1600 employees on Mac. I think you will find that this is actually referring to 1600 employees in the Mac user group. These are folks interested in Mac, and have joined an internal user group. It doesn&#8217;t mean they have been issued a Mac for work, in fact I suspect most have not. The Mac@IBM site is employee run, not official internal support&#8230;think of it as hints and tips like you read here. (I am a member, and have a personal Mac at home, not one for work).  </p>
<p>There are people with Macs, just as there are at any large corportation, and yes IBM pays for them if there is a valid business justification.  Otherwise, the standard machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad, which is fully supported by IT. Mac is not to my knowledge.</p>
<p>You also mention IBM employees getting discounts on Macs, or swapping our Thinkpads for Macs. I know of no swap program for any company issued PC, Mac or Thinkpad. But we do indeed get discounts on Macs. We also get discounts on Fords, Chevy&#8217;s ,Saabs, TVs, stereos and Walt Disney World park tickets, thru corporate benefits programs. The discounts are not that great, so don&#8217;t get jealous. It won&#8217;t cause you to buy a Mac over a Dell if you are not inclined to do so in the first place.</p>
<p>I disagree with your tone that seems to suggest there is some big Mac movement in IBM. I don&#8217;t see it. But, there are movements in IBM to support what  customers use to run their business, as it always has been. As Macs become more prevelant in customer shops, they likely will in IBM too. I suspect that is the strategy, if any at work, not some targeted Mac effort.</p>
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		<title>By: bshirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>bshirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between an economic lull right now that&#039;s likely keeping capital purchased to a minimum at companies, the year plus of lackluster Vista impressions, and a graduating populace that is more familiar with Mac than anything else, I&#039;d say the next decade will be a boon for Apple in the corporation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between an economic lull right now that&#8217;s likely keeping capital purchased to a minimum at companies, the year plus of lackluster Vista impressions, and a graduating populace that is more familiar with Mac than anything else, I&#8217;d say the next decade will be a boon for Apple in the corporation.</p>
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		<title>By: schwabsauce</title>
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		<dc:creator>schwabsauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will be too difficult for Linux to gain many users when so many of the trendsetters and power users are already satisfied with the Apple platform.  It used to seem like a real necessity, and today&#039;s Linux does fill important needs well, but now that OSX is pretty mature and the Apple hardware is capable of running any OS, Linux doesn&#039;t seem necessary to me.

I agree that Apple could penetrate the education market massively if they had better training programs, even if they were predominantly video and not in-person almost at all.  I think the Mac Mini, or hacked AppleTVs are good bets for commodity-minded businesses looking to follow IBM&#039;s lead.  Those computers are so small they&#039;re almost invisible in the market and the media.  I think Apple should do more to remind people that they&#039;re available for cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will be too difficult for Linux to gain many users when so many of the trendsetters and power users are already satisfied with the Apple platform.  It used to seem like a real necessity, and today&#8217;s Linux does fill important needs well, but now that OSX is pretty mature and the Apple hardware is capable of running any OS, Linux doesn&#8217;t seem necessary to me.</p>
<p>I agree that Apple could penetrate the education market massively if they had better training programs, even if they were predominantly video and not in-person almost at all.  I think the Mac Mini, or hacked AppleTVs are good bets for commodity-minded businesses looking to follow IBM&#8217;s lead.  Those computers are so small they&#8217;re almost invisible in the market and the media.  I think Apple should do more to remind people that they&#8217;re available for cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: MikieV</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikieV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That indicates that Apple is currently targeting the most optimal markets in its push to deliver desktops and laptops that are desirable to consumers rather than attempting to rival HP and Dell in pushing out cheap, undistinguished boxes to the enterprise.&quot;

That is the main reason I don&#039;t see companies like the one I work for switching to the Mac - they are too cheap to buy anything other than &quot;commodity&quot; computers for the majority of tasks.

If they could somehow run OSX on their installed-base of PCs, I&#039;m sure they would jump at the chance to eliminate the &quot;Microsoft tax&quot; of per-seat licensing.

Buy a bunch on new computers from Apple... ??

fugetaboutit.

Upgrades from WinNT to Win2K were slow, and we still haven&#039;t migrated all the &quot;boxes&quot; from Win2K to XP.

Vista??? Haven&#039;t seen it yet.

Why would I expect my company to &quot;upgrade&quot; to Macs, when we&#039;re still getting-by with Office 2003?? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That indicates that Apple is currently targeting the most optimal markets in its push to deliver desktops and laptops that are desirable to consumers rather than attempting to rival HP and Dell in pushing out cheap, undistinguished boxes to the enterprise.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the main reason I don&#8217;t see companies like the one I work for switching to the Mac &#8211; they are too cheap to buy anything other than &#8220;commodity&#8221; computers for the majority of tasks.</p>
<p>If they could somehow run OSX on their installed-base of PCs, I&#8217;m sure they would jump at the chance to eliminate the &#8220;Microsoft tax&#8221; of per-seat licensing.</p>
<p>Buy a bunch on new computers from Apple&#8230; ??</p>
<p>fugetaboutit.</p>
<p>Upgrades from WinNT to Win2K were slow, and we still haven&#8217;t migrated all the &#8220;boxes&#8221; from Win2K to XP.</p>
<p>Vista??? Haven&#8217;t seen it yet.</p>
<p>Why would I expect my company to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to Macs, when we&#8217;re still getting-by with Office 2003?? :P</p>
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		<title>By: Steffan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steffan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;.....Participating employees return their Lenovo-manufactured (but IBM-branded) ThinkPad laptops and purchase a MacBook Pro. The company has negotiated special discount pricing from Apple on MacBook Pros for its employees. Additionally, IBM reimburses those employees who commit to using a Mac exclusively for 24 months with an upfront $750 rebate and an additional $750 payment for the second year.....&quot;

What&#039;s that all about?  If I understand correctly they expect/allow employees to buy and connect their *own* computer to the company network!!? I have only worked in a couple of medium sized US based companies (but working for them in the UK) and I don&#039;t work in IT but this blows my mind. My company would never let us connect our own equipment to the network, much as I&#039;d love to use my MacBook Pro at/for work.

Or did I get that wrong?

Cheers

Steffan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;..Participating employees return their Lenovo-manufactured (but IBM-branded) ThinkPad laptops and purchase a MacBook Pro. The company has negotiated special discount pricing from Apple on MacBook Pros for its employees. Additionally, IBM reimburses those employees who commit to using a Mac exclusively for 24 months with an upfront $750 rebate and an additional $750 payment for the second year&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that all about?  If I understand correctly they expect/allow employees to buy and connect their *own* computer to the company network!!? I have only worked in a couple of medium sized US based companies (but working for them in the UK) and I don&#8217;t work in IT but this blows my mind. My company would never let us connect our own equipment to the network, much as I&#8217;d love to use my MacBook Pro at/for work.</p>
<p>Or did I get that wrong?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Steffan</p>
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		<title>By: PhilipWing</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilipWing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It also serves to advertise Apple’s hardware among enterprise users.…&quot;

I&#039;m curious to know what&#039;s IBM piece in *that* part... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It also serves to advertise Apple’s hardware among enterprise users.…&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to know what&#8217;s IBM piece in *that* part&#8230; :)</p>
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