Comments on: San Francisco Protests the Chinese Olympic Torch Run http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/ Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:17:27 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: olympic torch path of run http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7601 olympic torch path of run Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:49:38 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7601 [...] up the Embarcadero from the ..... It surprises me that the olympic committee and national sports ...http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/Torch&aposs Path Through Utah -- 2002 Winter Olympic News from KSLTorch&aposs path Through Utah The [...] [...] up the Embarcadero from the ….. It surprises me that the olympic committee and national sports …http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/Torch&aposs Path Through Utah — 2002 Winter Olympic News from KSLTorch&aposs path Through Utah The [...]

]]> By: Peace brother http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7529 Peace brother Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:30:47 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7529 Sorry for making bit of a mess in comment #33. Please feel free to edit by removing the first one and the last few paragraphs. You can also totally erase my mishandling of your blog by removing this comment too. :∫ Sorry for making bit of a mess in comment #33.
Please feel free to edit by removing the first one and the last few paragraphs. You can also totally erase my mishandling of your blog by removing this comment too.
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]]> By: Peace brother http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7524 Peace brother Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:31:02 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7524 THANK YOU Daniel, ... for sharing these images and for reporting about the SF support for the Tibetan case. I'm from '64 and the first black and white television images i remember still are how Chinese communistic soldiers where attacking monks in Lhasa. I must have been age 4 or 5 and i never forgot. THANK YOU Daniel, ... for sharing these images and for reporting about the SF support for the Tibetan case. I'm from '64 and the first black and white television images i remember still are how Chinese communistic soldiers where attacking monks in Lhasa. I must have been age 4 or 5 and i never forgot. When i see all over the world how police recently treats Tibetans and especially the monks, i feel sad about the hypocrisy, the lack of global moral and compassion. Even Nepal, the birth place of Buddha, which one year ago liberated itself through demonstrations is beating up demonstrating monks now. And the world just accept the fact that Chinese government twists truth like an Olympic Champion. They 'liberated' the poor Tibetans and the Dalai Lama received the Nobel Peace Prize but Chinese government talks of a terrorist/seperatist they still refuse to talk to? They feel no shame at all and continue to bend reality beyond belief. Tibet, Taiwan, Burma - Myanmar, Darfur, ... Why is the world putting it's head in the sand for so long? Why don't we outsource more to Taiwan and support their bid for joining the UN? China is a beautiful country that should not destroy Tibetan culture. Chinese all over the world please open your eyes, have compassion, change your minds... Be a true Olympic host by living up to the Olympic spirit: brotherhood, understanding and dialogue! Roughly Drafted Daniel, THANK YOU for bringing us Roughly Drafted Magazine THANK YOU for posting this! Peace And the world just accept the fact that Chinese government twists truth like an Olympic Champion. They 'liberated' the poor Tibetans and the Dalai Lama received the Nobel Peace Prize but Chinese government talks of a terrorist/seperatist they still refuse to talk to? They feel no shame at all and continue to bend reality beyond belief. Why is the world putting it's head in the sand for so long? Why don't we outsource more to Taiwan and support their bid for joining the UN? China is a beautiful country that should not destroy Tibetan culture. Chinese all over the world please open your eyes, have compassion, change your minds... Be a true Olympic host by living up to the Olympic spirit: brotherhood, understanding and dialogue! Roughly Drafted Daniel, THANK YOU for bringing us Roughly Drafted Magazine THANK YOU for posting this! Peace THANK YOU Daniel,

… for sharing these images and for reporting about the SF support for the Tibetan case. I’m from ‘64 and the first black and white television images i remember still are how Chinese communistic soldiers where attacking monks in Lhasa. I must have been age 4 or 5 and i never forgot.

THANK YOU Daniel,

… for sharing these images and for reporting about the SF support for the Tibetan case. I’m from ‘64 and the first black and white television images i remember still are how Chinese communistic soldiers where attacking monks in Lhasa. I must have been age 4 or 5 and i never forgot.

When i see all over the world how police recently treats Tibetans and especially the monks, i feel sad about the hypocrisy, the lack of global moral and compassion. Even Nepal, the birth place of Buddha, which one year ago liberated itself through demonstrations is beating up demonstrating monks now.

And the world just accept the fact that Chinese government twists truth like an Olympic Champion. They ‘liberated’ the poor Tibetans and the Dalai Lama received the Nobel Peace Prize but Chinese government talks of a terrorist/seperatist they still refuse to talk to? They feel no shame at all and continue to bend reality beyond belief.

Tibet, Taiwan, Burma – Myanmar, Darfur, …
Why is the world putting it’s head in the sand for so long?
Why don’t we outsource more to Taiwan and support their bid for joining the UN?
China is a beautiful country that should not destroy Tibetan culture. Chinese all over the world please open your eyes, have compassion, change your minds…

Be a true Olympic host by living up to the Olympic spirit: brotherhood, understanding and dialogue!

Roughly Drafted Daniel,
THANK YOU for bringing us Roughly Drafted Magazine
THANK YOU for posting this!

Peace

And the world just accept the fact that Chinese government twists truth like an Olympic Champion. They ‘liberated’ the poor Tibetans and the Dalai Lama received the Nobel Peace Prize but Chinese government talks of a terrorist/seperatist they still refuse to talk to? They feel no shame at all and continue to bend reality beyond belief.

Why is the world putting it’s head in the sand for so long?
Why don’t we outsource more to Taiwan and support their bid for joining the UN?
China is a beautiful country that should not destroy Tibetan culture. Chinese all over the world please open your eyes, have compassion, change your minds…

Be a true Olympic host by living up to the Olympic spirit: brotherhood, understanding and dialogue!

Roughly Drafted Daniel,
THANK YOU for bringing us Roughly Drafted Magazine
THANK YOU for posting this!

Peace

]]> By: droughtquake http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7405 droughtquake Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:06:21 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7405 In reading all the comments here (and many of the comments on articles on this topic on SFGate), I notice that there are two years that keep getting mentioned (1949 & 1959) as when Tibet was incorporated into China. It's interesting how 'has always been' turns out to be only 49 or 59 years... In reading all the comments here (and many of the comments on articles on this topic on SFGate), I notice that there are two years that keep getting mentioned (1949 & 1959) as when Tibet was incorporated into China. It’s interesting how ‘has always been’ turns out to be only 49 or 59 years…

]]> By: PhilipWing http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7356 PhilipWing Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:06:58 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7356 Ah, to get back to the days when the only politicization around Olympic Games was done by the host country. Heck, the world went to *Nazi* Germany in 1936. What happened? Athletes like Jesse Owens kicked Aryan butt... :) (Ok, maybe pre-Aryan...) Ah, to get back to the days when the only politicization around Olympic Games was done by the host country.

Heck, the world went to *Nazi* Germany in 1936. What happened? Athletes like Jesse Owens kicked Aryan butt… :) (Ok, maybe pre-Aryan…)

]]> By: nok http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7317 nok Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:18:11 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7317 If this is only human rights related: What's the point of Chinese goverment suppressing it's own people while pursuing to be a wealthy and communistic/utopia country. ( Tibetans are also Chinese citizens with equal political rights. ) It was a political revolution in Tibet as in other places in China back to 1949~1960. Remember! It's revolution! It's a pity the officers of Tibet province failed to handle the religious and ethnic/cultural problems very well -- and most of the officers are Tibetans themselves! Why? Because like many officers in other places in China, they are grew up as farmers/workers, not as high level intellectual persons. Why they want to block the access to Wikipedia or Google? Because they just don't know how to use it, or develop good internet laws compared to law makers of developed contries. If this is only human rights related: What’s the point of Chinese goverment suppressing it’s own people while pursuing to be a wealthy and communistic/utopia country. ( Tibetans are also Chinese citizens with equal political rights. )

It was a political revolution in Tibet as in other places in China back to 1949~1960. Remember! It’s revolution!

It’s a pity the officers of Tibet province failed to handle the religious and ethnic/cultural problems very well — and most of the officers are Tibetans themselves! Why? Because like many officers in other places in China, they are grew up as farmers/workers, not as high level intellectual persons. Why they want to block the access to Wikipedia or Google? Because they just don’t know how to use it, or develop good internet laws compared to law makers of developed contries.

]]> By: sebastianlewis http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7274 sebastianlewis Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:36:02 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7274 Hmm, I figured this was the reason my bus was stopped for about (guessing) 10 minutes around Park Presidio and 14th Ave but your pictures of the Coach 21 confirm this. A small army of police trucks, motorcycles, and cars along with these Coach 21s passed in front backing up traffic for who knows how far back, there's a small hill there just before the stop at Park Presidio (on the 31) so I could only see 1 or 2 blocks back. Sebastian Hmm, I figured this was the reason my bus was stopped for about (guessing) 10 minutes around Park Presidio and 14th Ave but your pictures of the Coach 21 confirm this. A small army of police trucks, motorcycles, and cars along with these Coach 21s passed in front backing up traffic for who knows how far back, there’s a small hill there just before the stop at Park Presidio (on the 31) so I could only see 1 or 2 blocks back.

Sebastian

]]> By: even http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7270 even Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:10:00 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7270 @Jeff "...look at the origin of the United States. Our country was created by fighting for independance against a large empire. We’re taught this our entire childhood and we celebrate it every July. I’m not saying that Tibet is exactly like the American colonies, but surely you must see that, as a people, Americans are going to be drawn to Tibet as something that’s familiar." Ah, self-delusion... Our ancestors from Europe built this country on the land of Native Americans. Settlers killed the natives and took the resources. That is the origin of the United States, however hard we try to forget about it. We don't ever mention it. It's still there though, festering, and it makes it difficult for people elsewhere to believe us when we talk about Liberty and Human Rights. Especially with our track record since, with Blacks, with Vietnam, with Cambodia, with South America, with the Middle East... At least if we stopped lying to ourselves about our past, or even our present, then maybe we could start making some real progress. @Jeff
“…look at the origin of the United States. Our country was created by fighting for independance against a large empire. We’re taught this our entire childhood and we celebrate it every July.
I’m not saying that Tibet is exactly like the American colonies, but surely you must see that, as a people, Americans are going to be drawn to Tibet as something that’s familiar.”

Ah, self-delusion…

Our ancestors from Europe built this country on the land of Native Americans. Settlers killed the natives and took the resources.

That is the origin of the United States, however hard we try to forget about it. We don’t ever mention it. It’s still there though, festering, and it makes it difficult for people elsewhere to believe us when we talk about Liberty and Human Rights. Especially with our track record since, with Blacks, with Vietnam, with Cambodia, with South America, with the Middle East…

At least if we stopped lying to ourselves about our past, or even our present, then maybe we could start making some real progress.

]]> By: DingDong http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7252 DingDong Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:16:25 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7252 I wanna see a streaker during the opening ceremony. I wanna see a streaker during the opening ceremony.

]]> By: gus2000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/comment-page-1/#comment-7247 gus2000 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:56:03 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/09/san-francisco-protests-the-chinese-olympic-torch-run/#comment-7247 "...can we have the USA back please…? I think you’ll find that, since the UK settled most of it, its acually ours…" Joel, feel free to take back any Blue state. Oh, I where do I sign up for the free medical care? “…can we have the USA back please…? I think you’ll find that, since the UK settled most of it, its acually ours…”

Joel, feel free to take back any Blue state. Oh, I where do I sign up for the free medical care?

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