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	<title>Comments on: Engadget: iPhone Lookalike BlackBerry 9000 is “Sexy.” Umm, not so much.</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ecletic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Derivate Hacks @ RIM</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/31/engadget-iphone-lookalike-blackberry-9000-is-%e2%80%9csexy%e2%80%9d-umm-not-so-much/#comment-6984</link>
		<dc:creator>Ecletic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Derivate Hacks @ RIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What the Hell, RIM? WHAT THE HELL?!? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nextcube</title>
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		<dc:creator>nextcube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Computer Science" is not the same thing as computer programming, and I think that this is where people sometimes get confused.  CS should really be called applied mathematics; the people who did all the fundamental work on modern digital computers like John VonNeumann and Alan Turing were mathematicians, and the computers were built by electrical engineers (another branch of applied mathematics, to be honest).  There are plenty ways to learn programming that will make you a perfectly good programmer, but that's not the same thing as actually being a computer scientist.
Not to rag on addicted44 too hard, but Windows Vista should stand as "exhibit #1" as to why efficiency in software still matters! :)  Also, usability studies have shown that the old green-screen mainframe terminal apps were actually easier for people to learn and helped them be more productive than today's "point and click" environments!  (Next time you go to the bank, look at the teller's computer - it's some shiny new Dell PC running...a terminal emulator!)  It seems we've come full-circle in the computing business. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Computer Science&#8221; is not the same thing as computer programming, and I think that this is where people sometimes get confused.  CS should really be called applied mathematics; the people who did all the fundamental work on modern digital computers like John VonNeumann and Alan Turing were mathematicians, and the computers were built by electrical engineers (another branch of applied mathematics, to be honest).  There are plenty ways to learn programming that will make you a perfectly good programmer, but that&#8217;s not the same thing as actually being a computer scientist.<br />
Not to rag on addicted44 too hard, but Windows Vista should stand as &#8220;exhibit #1&#8243; as to why efficiency in software still matters! <img src='http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Also, usability studies have shown that the old green-screen mainframe terminal apps were actually easier for people to learn and helped them be more productive than today&#8217;s &#8220;point and click&#8221; environments!  (Next time you go to the bank, look at the teller&#8217;s computer - it&#8217;s some shiny new Dell PC running&#8230;a terminal emulator!)  It seems we&#8217;ve come full-circle in the computing business. <img src='http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: cdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Now I can see what the iphone heaphone socket would have looked like if it wasn't recessed, I suddenly don't mind the restrictions on the headphones I can use on it. Damn, that's a good call by the iPhone designers.

2. What were those clicking noises I heard while watching the linked video...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Now I can see what the iphone heaphone socket would have looked like if it wasn&#8217;t recessed, I suddenly don&#8217;t mind the restrictions on the headphones I can use on it. Damn, that&#8217;s a good call by the iPhone designers.</p>
<p>2. What were those clicking noises I heard while watching the linked video&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: addicted44</title>
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		<dc:creator>addicted44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gus2000

Not sure how long ago you looked into a CS degree, but I would say that 10-15 years ago a strong mathematical background was probably a must, because computing resources were limited, and so algorithms had to be as efficient as possible so the program would run at a decent speed.

Recently, however, with Moore's law computers have become so fast that programmers no longer need to worry about efficiency, but human interaction and design instead.  There will be a little lag between when computer scientists will start to be trained for this new computing world.  I am proud to say my university (Georgia Tech) is making huge strides in this area, tying up almost all its computing "threads" as they like calling it, with other departments, such as the literature, psychology, etc. departments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gus2000</p>
<p>Not sure how long ago you looked into a CS degree, but I would say that 10-15 years ago a strong mathematical background was probably a must, because computing resources were limited, and so algorithms had to be as efficient as possible so the program would run at a decent speed.</p>
<p>Recently, however, with Moore&#8217;s law computers have become so fast that programmers no longer need to worry about efficiency, but human interaction and design instead.  There will be a little lag between when computer scientists will start to be trained for this new computing world.  I am proud to say my university (Georgia Tech) is making huge strides in this area, tying up almost all its computing &#8220;threads&#8221; as they like calling it, with other departments, such as the literature, psychology, etc. departments.</p>
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		<title>By: daGUY</title>
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		<dc:creator>daGUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it. On the one hand, all these phone companies deny that the iPhone is a threat, and then at the same time they try to mimic its design. I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the new BlackBerry has a flat black front with a rounded metal frame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it. On the one hand, all these phone companies deny that the iPhone is a threat, and then at the same time they try to mimic its design. I&#8217;m sure it was pure coincidence that the new BlackBerry has a flat black front with a rounded metal frame!</p>
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		<title>By: mikeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been carrying a Blackberry since 2002 (or a tad earlier if memory serves me correctly).  My current device is the 8700 series, which is an older model, but it has a smoother appearance than the 8800 series (the middle device in the first photo in Daniel's article).  The 9000 is a slight improvement in physical style as compared to the 8800, but clearly a step backward in terms of the quality of the display.  If this is what RIM is offering in response to the iPhone 2.0, I think they are in trouble.  I do not have any choice for work as Blackberrys are, and will unfortunately remain (unless RIM goes out of business) the only option we have for wireless email.  I do not yet own an iPhone, but I do have an iPod Touch since I still have a contract with a vendor other than AT&#38;T, but I there is no doubt I will be carrying an iPhone in the near future.

Question, are we certain this is not a story intended for April 1st? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been carrying a Blackberry since 2002 (or a tad earlier if memory serves me correctly).  My current device is the 8700 series, which is an older model, but it has a smoother appearance than the 8800 series (the middle device in the first photo in Daniel&#8217;s article).  The 9000 is a slight improvement in physical style as compared to the 8800, but clearly a step backward in terms of the quality of the display.  If this is what RIM is offering in response to the iPhone 2.0, I think they are in trouble.  I do not have any choice for work as Blackberrys are, and will unfortunately remain (unless RIM goes out of business) the only option we have for wireless email.  I do not yet own an iPhone, but I do have an iPod Touch since I still have a contract with a vendor other than AT&amp;T, but I there is no doubt I will be carrying an iPhone in the near future.</p>
<p>Question, are we certain this is not a story intended for April 1st? <img src='http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: lmasanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>lmasanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote:
"I think we’ll see two phases of iPhone rivals:

Phase 1: “Quick, we need to catch up - ASAP!”
Manufacturers realise that the iPhone is the most hyped up phone around and they will want to cash in on its success.
...
Phase 2: “OK, what can we learn from the iPhone”
After this initial wave of clones, I would expect manufacturers to look at what they can learn from the iPhone in the long term. "

If you remember iPod's cloning, you'll be with me that the "Phase 2" is too optimistic!
It is real that there is a huger amount of money and interest in the cell phone industry than in the mp3-player industry, but the problem is in "the followers" behaviour of the other manufacturers.
"No new ideas" by default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote:<br />
&#8220;I think we’ll see two phases of iPhone rivals:</p>
<p>Phase 1: “Quick, we need to catch up - ASAP!”<br />
Manufacturers realise that the iPhone is the most hyped up phone around and they will want to cash in on its success.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Phase 2: “OK, what can we learn from the iPhone”<br />
After this initial wave of clones, I would expect manufacturers to look at what they can learn from the iPhone in the long term. &#8221;</p>
<p>If you remember iPod&#8217;s cloning, you&#8217;ll be with me that the &#8220;Phase 2&#8243; is too optimistic!<br />
It is real that there is a huger amount of money and interest in the cell phone industry than in the mp3-player industry, but the problem is in &#8220;the followers&#8221; behaviour of the other manufacturers.<br />
&#8220;No new ideas&#8221; by default.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I like the more pronounced curves on this versus the iPhone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I like the more pronounced curves on this versus the iPhone.</p>
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		<title>By: pecos.bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>pecos.bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who'd've thought there was such a thing as a bad RIM job???? ;-)

Other than the meaningless icons and the use of the same icon twice for presumably different things, they're pretty good as they are clear and readable. I only question the one to the right of the clipboard, the clipboard (is for?), and the meaningless squares (one highlighted).

I question that they don't use the color that obviously is available to them though. Such a waste.

RIM has always had crappy interfaces. They put the back/cancel button under the scroll buttons on the right edge. The accidental press rate for that back button is very high. Even my PC using hubby recognized how crappy they are. (Mixed marriages are definitely more challenging.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;d've thought there was such a thing as a bad RIM job???? <img src='http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Other than the meaningless icons and the use of the same icon twice for presumably different things, they&#8217;re pretty good as they are clear and readable. I only question the one to the right of the clipboard, the clipboard (is for?), and the meaningless squares (one highlighted).</p>
<p>I question that they don&#8217;t use the color that obviously is available to them though. Such a waste.</p>
<p>RIM has always had crappy interfaces. They put the back/cancel button under the scroll buttons on the right edge. The accidental press rate for that back button is very high. Even my PC using hubby recognized how crappy they are. (Mixed marriages are definitely more challenging.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gus2000

You are so right about engineers being pigeon-holed and kept away from a well rounded education in very relevant things like design. From what I hear: a crucial part of Apple's internal process is keeping designers and engineers in close contact throughout. Indeed, the lines between engineering and design are as blurred as can be. Just you try bringing something as thoroughly well thought out to market by any other way!

@"why does this phone matter??"

1. It's RIM's flagship: prospectively the only phone in a position to matter besides the iPhone.
2. Just looking at it is one of those head shaking moments: what the hell happened to RIM's pride, designers and sense of self worth? I pity them. Though I certainly don't pity the sloppy coverage its getting.

"For all you inveterate Apple haters out there: an iPhone *you can* buy!!!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gus2000</p>
<p>You are so right about engineers being pigeon-holed and kept away from a well rounded education in very relevant things like design. From what I hear: a crucial part of Apple&#8217;s internal process is keeping designers and engineers in close contact throughout. Indeed, the lines between engineering and design are as blurred as can be. Just you try bringing something as thoroughly well thought out to market by any other way!</p>
<p>@&#8221;why does this phone matter??&#8221;</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s RIM&#8217;s flagship: prospectively the only phone in a position to matter besides the iPhone.<br />
2. Just looking at it is one of those head shaking moments: what the hell happened to RIM&#8217;s pride, designers and sense of self worth? I pity them. Though I certainly don&#8217;t pity the sloppy coverage its getting.</p>
<p>&#8220;For all you inveterate Apple haters out there: an iPhone *you can* buy!!!&#8221;</p>
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