I’m trying really hard to read between the lines, but I’ll need a little more help I guess.

You’ve agreed with the basic premise of the original article, I think, that OS X is more secure than other operating systems. Or at least that CanSecWest didn’t prove otherwise.

You’ve agreed with the reason why: Apple builds the whole widget, ergo they have more control over the entire system – hence security.

Your basic disagreement, then, is that those opinions lack validity because they are opinions. The very real empirical data that us old FanBoys have (years without malware) don’t solidify our opinions (in or between your lines). Twenty-one years without malware is not an opinion. It’s a fact. I was there.

You also seem to disagree with people who adamantly advance opinions that agree with yours because they’re “FanBoys,” or because in the comparison between Apples and Oranges we prefer Apples. That seems to be argument for its own sake from here, particularly when you agree with the basic tenets of the “cult.”

Reading between the lines doesn’t yield facts contradictory to Daniel’s original post; just that you seem to think there should be more “balance.”

If you have “balancing” facts, please post them. With no facts to counter our opinions we have no reason to change them.

I have an open mind. But it’s only open to new facts. New opinions, unsupported by new facts, must be very compelling.

Thank you for explaining the jokes. It takes all the mystery out of the comments. Really.

Wow, no wonder you can’t read between the lines, you can’t even read the lines (and you are questioning my literacy?). In a way it is pointless to quote my previous post since you did not get it the first time, why would I expect you to get it the second time? But for the sake of others;

“just because you believe it, does not make it fact! Just because I believe it does not make it fact.”

Not sure, but I don’t think I could have put our “opinions” on any more equal ground then that. The point of my comment was to note that so many “opinions” stated here are referred to as facts when they are merely opinions. (and for the person who is about to point out any of the “provable facts” in this thread, don’t bother, I am not saying there are no facts I am just saying many are opinions) Note; Opinion + heartfelt sincerity does not =fact. Nor does opinion +agreement by most others of my thought-persuasion =fact.

I “willingly” came to this site, because I saw a link to this article and the title got my attention. I was expecting to be educated not opinionated. My reason for posting was to point out that I felt the article was ignoring a very important concept… ….and it seems Apple agrees with me…

As I have said twice now,

“The whole point of my original post was to point out that the arguments here do not accurately take into account the fact that you are comparing Apples to Oranges. A RATIONAL person could concede that, a FanBoy could not.”

I was watching a show recorded with Windows Media Center yesterday and as I was skipping through the commercials, I noticed an “I’m a Mac” commercial, so I backed up to watch it (They are well done and I enjoy them, way to go Steve). What da ya know… I would assume this one is entitled “It’s not your fault”.

Mac tells PC it is not his fault for having issues because… ….well let me just quote my previous post yet again

“I would expect a Mac to be more secure simply because the hardware and software are both made by Apple. I would expect a PC to be less secure because MS only makes the OS they do not make the hardware and or the majority of the drivers etc.”

And that is exactly what Apple claims in their commercial. I guess I need to start a Mac Fanboy Free site where Apples views can be more accurately portrayed. Lets call it http://www.ThechApple.com . And Rip since you don’t read between the lines well, allow me to decipher; chApple is a tongue-in-cheek reference to the “Cult” that is Apple Fanboys…

Peace.

Your opinions are valid. Opinions you disagree with are the opinions of Fanboys drinking koolaid. (That sounds like flaming to me)

Another flamewar standard is that a site that’s primarily about Apple’s successes and advantages needs more balance. Why?

There are plenty of places on the internet chronicling Apple’s perceived failures and shortcomings. Odd that you should come here to Apple fanboy land of your own free will and then complain about positive reporting on Apple.

Kinda like going to a Chinese restaurant and objecting to the smell of soy sauce.

My Dad’s last communication with another human being – just before they closed the door of the ambulance and he slipped into a coma – was to give his boss the finger. As far as I’m concerned, that kicks the ass of every other Dad I’ve heard of.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=44BD9AA1&nclm=CertifiedMac

I appreciate the advice. You are right, I am not a smart programmer simply due to the fact that programming for the iPhone will be my first venture into programming. However I am fully aware of parallels and the fact that you can run windows programs in it, but per my Mac friends Photoshop is known to choke parallels and run very slow/ tends to hang, so they recommend going with the Mac versions.

For the record, My aversion to the price has nothing to do with what I can afford and everything to do with “My” perceived value. (Note to Fanboys, notice the use of “Opinion” here? Just because I believe the a Mac is not as good a value does not make it true)

@Rip

The use of Kool-Aid was an attempt to keep in context with the post I was responding to;

” I’m sure you’ll find our articles to be satisfying, nutritious, and 99% FUD-free with no artificial filler, flavor or color.”

Kool-Aid was the perfect counter since I find the articles that Gus referred to to be the exact opposite of FUD free with no artificial filler, flavor or color.

What I find most amazing is how FanBoys like yourself accuse everyone else of exactly what you are so guilty of, FUD and Hate facts. But more so than that, you don’t realize that just because you believe it, does not make it fact! Just because I believe it does not make it fact. I applaud addicted44 for admitting that there is some security by obscurity, and I also agree with him that that that is not the only reason (Note; this gives addicted some credibility). I would expect a Mac to be more secure simply because the hardware and software are both made by Apple. I would expect a PC to be less secure because MS only makes the OS they do not make the hardware and or the majority of the drivers etc. AND I can also say that the Mac OSX may actually be better written and more secure for that reason as well. The whole point of my original post was to point out that the arguments here do not accurately take into account the fact that you are comparing Apples to Oranges. A RATIONAL person could concede that a FanBoy could not.

The only factual thing in your response was a Typo, the rest was purely flames. In your next post you’ll be saying your dad can kick my dad’s ass! But it won’t be flames because its factual since you believe it.

(Note to Rip; Since you were not able to pick up on the Kool-Aid connection let me read between the lines for you here - I only threw in the “kick my Dad’s ass” line as a bit of ironic sarcasm - in case you still don’t understand; I was flaming you while accusing you of flaming me while accusing me of only flaming. If you still don’t get it just ask addicted, he has the whole nested statement thing down to a science.)

Peace,

the disqualified illiterate