Comments on: CanSecWest and Swiss Federal Institute of Tech Deliver Attacks on the Reality of Mac Security http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/ Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:19:24 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Segurança não é questão de plataforma, mas sim de cultura (parte 1) « MBE | Mac Business Experts http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-16399 Segurança não é questão de plataforma, mas sim de cultura (parte 1) « MBE | Mac Business Experts Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:02:33 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-16399 [...] entrarei no mérito da invasão em si, apesar das controvérsias geradas, mas acho importante falarmos de maneira objetiva e imparcial sobre [...] [...] entrarei no mérito da invasão em si, apesar das controvérsias geradas, mas acho importante falarmos de maneira objetiva e imparcial sobre [...]

]]> By: Windows Vista, 7, and Singularity: The New Copland, Gershwin, Taligent — RoughlyDrafted Magazine http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-7671 Windows Vista, 7, and Singularity: The New Copland, Gershwin, Taligent — RoughlyDrafted Magazine Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:03:53 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-7671 [...] CanSecWest and Swiss Federal Institute of Tech Deliver Attacks on the Reality of Mac Security YouTube - Stupid Internal Microsoft Vista SP1 Video [...] [...] CanSecWest and Swiss Federal Institute of Tech Deliver Attacks on the Reality of Mac Security YouTube – Stupid Internal Microsoft Vista SP1 Video [...]

]]> By: MBE - Mac Business Experts » Blog Archive » Segurança não é questão de plataforma, mas sim de cultura (parte 1) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6920 MBE - Mac Business Experts » Blog Archive » Segurança não é questão de plataforma, mas sim de cultura (parte 1) Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:40:35 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6920 [...] entrarei no mérito da invasão em si, apesar das controvérsias geradas, mas acho importante falarmos de maneira objetiva e imparcial sobre [...] [...] entrarei no mérito da invasão em si, apesar das controvérsias geradas, mas acho importante falarmos de maneira objetiva e imparcial sobre [...]

]]> By: The Mac is a Wonderful (and Secure) Platform - IT in the Ad Biz http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6891 The Mac is a Wonderful (and Secure) Platform - IT in the Ad Biz Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:36:58 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6891 [...] already received one e-mail from a reader pointing me to a blog post refuting the claims of security issues with the Mac . I suppose I should take some consolation in [...] [...] already received one e-mail from a reader pointing me to a blog post refuting the claims of security issues with the Mac . I suppose I should take some consolation in [...]

]]> By: The Unavoidable Malware Myth: Why Apple Won’t Inherit Microsoft’s Malware Crown — RoughlyDrafted Magazine http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6865 The Unavoidable Malware Myth: Why Apple Won’t Inherit Microsoft’s Malware Crown — RoughlyDrafted Magazine Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:57:34 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6865 [...] CanSecWest and Swiss Federal Institute of Tech Deliver Attacks on the Reality of Mac Security Mac Shot First: 10 Reasons Why CanSecWest Targets Apple Thom Holwerda of OSNews Calls “Mac Shot First” Misinformation and Slander. Oops! The Past is Not the Future. If we could travel back to 2001 and somehow alter history to give Windows a 5% share of the PC market, and grant Mac OS X a 95% share of the market, that reversal of fortune would result in spammers finding that their existing malware exploits were nearly worthless. It could also induce them to desire to write or obtain attacks exploiting Mac OS X. Third party developers would also have to make a huge shift in their allocation of software development resources, as Windows software would have much less value, while demand for Mac software would explode. [...] [...] CanSecWest and Swiss Federal Institute of Tech Deliver Attacks on the Reality of Mac Security Mac Shot First: 10 Reasons Why CanSecWest Targets Apple Thom Holwerda of OSNews Calls “Mac Shot First” Misinformation and Slander. Oops! The Past is Not the Future. If we could travel back to 2001 and somehow alter history to give Windows a 5% share of the PC market, and grant Mac OS X a 95% share of the market, that reversal of fortune would result in spammers finding that their existing malware exploits were nearly worthless. It could also induce them to desire to write or obtain attacks exploiting Mac OS X. Third party developers would also have to make a huge shift in their allocation of software development resources, as Windows software would have much less value, while demand for Mac software would explode. [...]

]]> By: Patrick Walker http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6838 Patrick Walker Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:02:04 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6838 What I should have added to #91 is if there will never be a major market for Vista, does it make economic sense to spend time and money investigating Vista? Some have said people didn't try getting the Vista because they don't want to bother and explore Vista. Security through obscurity indeed. What I should have added to #91 is if there will never be a major market for Vista, does it make economic sense to spend time and money investigating Vista? Some have said people didn’t try getting the Vista because they don’t want to bother and explore Vista. Security through obscurity indeed.

]]> By: Patrick Walker http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6837 Patrick Walker Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:44:15 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6837 One idea I think people missed is how much in the way of security experts are REALLY looking into Vista. What I mean by this is given the absolute lacklustre penetration of Vista, do people really find it economic to even bother looking? At the university I'm currently at, MS is offering Vista for free but even then people aren't interested. They're opting for WinXP still. To be fair, the 2009 contest should have FOUR laptops. A Windows XP box should always be there because it is still a viable consumer OS. I'm rather surprised if MS was using this event as a marketing ploy, wouldn't they want to play up Vista by having it compared directly to WinXP? One idea I think people missed is how much in the way of security experts are REALLY looking into Vista. What I mean by this is given the absolute lacklustre penetration of Vista, do people really find it economic to even bother looking? At the university I’m currently at, MS is offering Vista for free but even then people aren’t interested. They’re opting for WinXP still. To be fair, the 2009 contest should have FOUR laptops. A Windows XP box should always be there because it is still a viable consumer OS. I’m rather surprised if MS was using this event as a marketing ploy, wouldn’t they want to play up Vista by having it compared directly to WinXP?

]]> By: wafflejuice http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6832 wafflejuice Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:10:04 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6832 "Found by googling the table title. Easy Peasy. All good numbers and details too. Nothing leftist about data. Sun comes up, Sun goes down. No one owns that." HamSandwich is my new hero! :) “Found by googling the table title. Easy Peasy. All good numbers and details too. Nothing leftist about data. Sun comes up, Sun goes down. No one owns that.”

HamSandwich is my new hero! :)

]]> By: Thom Holwerda of OSNews Calls “Mac Shot First” Misinformation and Slander. Oops! — RoughlyDrafted Magazine http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6796 Thom Holwerda of OSNews Calls “Mac Shot First” Misinformation and Slander. Oops! — RoughlyDrafted Magazine Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:55:13 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6796 [...] CanSecWest and Swiss Federal Institute of Tech Deliver Attacks on the Reality of Mac Security [...] [...] CanSecWest and Swiss Federal Institute of Tech Deliver Attacks on the Reality of Mac Security [...]

]]> By: HamSandwich http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/comment-page-2/#comment-6784 HamSandwich Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:12:26 +0000 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/28/cansecwest-and-swiss-federal-institute-of-tech-deliver-attacks-on-the-reality-of-mac-security/#comment-6784 Bard: http://www.lafn.org/politics/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html Found by googling the table title. Easy Peasy. All good numbers and details too. Nothing leftist about data. Sun comes up, Sun goes down. No one owns that. As for the argument here it is relevant! It shows how bias works to deflect people away from the real details. Sound bites, short quotes, and the inclusion of excusable circumstances are used for good reason. Like a magician who waves his hand or snaps a finger it serves to distract us from the real action - the hiding of the quarter or the dropping of the disappearing object. Fact is it may be incendiary to some, but we're all grownups. I think it puts the exclamation mark on the whole point. I work in IT enterprise level support. Windows vs Mac is a stupid argument. But there are entrenched biases everywhere. Then U come along with Unix/Windows/Linux/mac & Macos X experience. I look like a genius, or a freak. Drop the bias, tinker away. Every tool has a use. And if you are tired about political debates, why not adopt a real political system - parliamentary democracy ;) JB Bard: http://www.lafn.org/politics/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

Found by googling the table title. Easy Peasy. All good numbers and details too. Nothing leftist about data. Sun comes up, Sun goes down. No one owns that.

As for the argument here it is relevant! It shows how bias works to deflect people away from the real details.

Sound bites, short quotes, and the inclusion of excusable circumstances are used for good reason. Like a magician who waves his hand or snaps a finger it serves to distract us from the real action – the hiding of the quarter or the dropping of the disappearing object.

Fact is it may be incendiary to some, but we’re all grownups. I think it puts the exclamation mark on the whole point.

I work in IT enterprise level support. Windows vs Mac is a stupid argument. But there are entrenched biases everywhere. Then U come along with Unix/Windows/Linux/mac & Macos X experience. I look like a genius, or a freak.

Drop the bias, tinker away. Every tool has a use.

And if you are tired about political debates, why not adopt a real political system – parliamentary democracy ;)

JB

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