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	<title>Comments on: iPhone 2.0 SDK: Video Games to Rival Nintendo DS, Sony PSP</title>
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	<description>Daniel Eran Dilger in San Francisco</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alternatives to the iPod Touch: Not Really &#171; The Dead Dog Cafe 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/20/iphone-20-sdk-video-games-to-rival-nintendo-ds-sony-psp/#comment-10675</link>
		<dc:creator>Alternatives to the iPod Touch: Not Really &#171; The Dead Dog Cafe 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I also looked at the Nintendo DS Lite and Sony PSP, both of which can do VOIP calls.&#160; Although they both would save you about $100, they are too crippled in areas other than gameplay to be comparable to the iPod Touch.&#160; The Nintendo DS&#8217;s browser is slow, and the PSP has no keyboard equivalent or even a touchscreen, making email and web surfing infeasible.&#160; In addition, they can&#8217;t even claim the advantage of being able to play better games than the iPod Touch, at least not for long.&#160; Forbes points out how Apple could be successful in the mobile gaming market. Roughly Drafted agrees and goes into more depth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I also looked at the Nintendo DS Lite and Sony PSP, both of which can do VOIP calls.&nbsp; Although they both would save you about $100, they are too crippled in areas other than gameplay to be comparable to the iPod Touch.&nbsp; The Nintendo DS&#8217;s browser is slow, and the PSP has no keyboard equivalent or even a touchscreen, making email and web surfing infeasible.&nbsp; In addition, they can&#8217;t even claim the advantage of being able to play better games than the iPod Touch, at least not for long.&nbsp; Forbes points out how Apple could be successful in the mobile gaming market. Roughly Drafted agrees and goes into more depth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Evangelism &#187; iPhone gaming: lack of controls?</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/20/iphone-20-sdk-video-games-to-rival-nintendo-ds-sony-psp/#comment-10503</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Evangelism &#187; iPhone gaming: lack of controls?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] extolling the virtues of the device, demoing a highly competent version of Super Monkey Ball, and reports suggest spec-wise that Apple&#8217;s hardware rivals Sony&#8217;s PSP and Nintendo&#8217;s DS, which are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] extolling the virtues of the device, demoing a highly competent version of Super Monkey Ball, and reports suggest spec-wise that Apple&#8217;s hardware rivals Sony&#8217;s PSP and Nintendo&#8217;s DS, which are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cult of Mac - News and opinion about the Mac and iPod communities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iPhone gaming: lack of controls?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cult of Mac - News and opinion about the Mac and iPod communities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iPhone gaming: lack of controls?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] extolling the virtues of the device, demoing a highly competent version of Super Monkey Ball, and reports suggest spec-wise that Apple&#8217;s hardware rivals Sony&#8217;s PSP and Nintendo&#8217;s DS, which are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] extolling the virtues of the device, demoing a highly competent version of Super Monkey Ball, and reports suggest spec-wise that Apple&#8217;s hardware rivals Sony&#8217;s PSP and Nintendo&#8217;s DS, which are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EA PLAY &#187; Warum das iPhone als Spieleplattform nichts taugt</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/20/iphone-20-sdk-video-games-to-rival-nintendo-ds-sony-psp/#comment-10266</link>
		<dc:creator>EA PLAY &#187; Warum das iPhone als Spieleplattform nichts taugt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wo viele eine wahnsinnige Revolution wittern, gibt es doch in Wirklichkeit gar nichts zu sehen. Vom DS- und PSP-Killer ist da bereits die Rede, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wo viele eine wahnsinnige Revolution wittern, gibt es doch in Wirklichkeit gar nichts zu sehen. Vom DS- und PSP-Killer ist da bereits die Rede, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WWDC 2008: iPhone G3 Revealed &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/20/iphone-20-sdk-video-games-to-rival-nintendo-ds-sony-psp/#comment-9148</link>
		<dc:creator>WWDC 2008: iPhone G3 Revealed &#8212; RoughlyDrafted Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2.0 SDK: How Signing Certificates Work iPhone 2.0 SDK: Video Games to Rival Nintendo DS, Sony PSP Digital Legends Entertainment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Predicting the next &#8220;killer&#8221; is for soothsayers and clairvoyants, not Forbes &#124; Prodigeek</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/20/iphone-20-sdk-video-games-to-rival-nintendo-ds-sony-psp/#comment-8985</link>
		<dc:creator>Predicting the next &#8220;killer&#8221; is for soothsayers and clairvoyants, not Forbes &#124; Prodigeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and EA were there to show off the first games for the platform. These high-profile releases led blogs to speculate on the iPhone&#8217;s potential as an actual handheld gaming [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 10 best augmented reality DEVICES that will reinvent mobile video games &#171; Games Alfresco</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 best augmented reality DEVICES that will reinvent mobile video games &#171; Games Alfresco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] iPhone   The iPhone could surpass other game devices  (Roughly Drafted Magazine ) Though considered a smart phone - owing to its unmatched user experience - the iPhone deserves its [...]</description>
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		<title>By: raist3d</title>
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		<dc:creator>raist3d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so it looks like the main issue was that the website couldn't accept links that I was trying to provide (probably a spam saving feature).

The links where to the powerVR website and IGN for PSP tech specs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so it looks like the main issue was that the website couldn&#8217;t accept links that I was trying to provide (probably a spam saving feature).</p>
<p>The links where to the powerVR website and IGN for PSP tech specs.</p>
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		<title>By: raist3d</title>
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		<dc:creator>raist3d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that I could not post exactly the reply I wanted, I am trying to be more concise, use less formatting so the website accepts the post.

I ask readers when they read this, to think in the context of Daniel's last reply to me and the article.

Key points- 

- If you use the ARM cpu familiarity as an argument, then *you can't slam the PSP for having a MIPS processor* because it would also benefit from that as tons of game developers are familiar with MIPS due to ps2/ps1/N64
- And yes I said that in the end this point is irrelevant, but I am pointing out that you don't follow the necessary conclusion on the PSP side using your logic, and you can't have that both ways
- That the specs of the PSP you posted are incomplete and also factually wrong.
- That the iPhone having better or comparable hardware for games is into question
- Moreover after finding triangle rates and polygon fillrate I would now dare say the PSP is actually BETTER for many types of games than the iPhone *if* we are going to use hardware superiority as a metric (this is a new point)
The triangle rate on the best case for better PowerVR MBX, is 4.45 times the powerVR and 1.10 times in fillrate (and this is a best case).

- That in the end hardware superiority does not equate platform degree of success, at least directly, as Nintendo has shown (but I did discuss hardware superiority as you brought it up in the article)
- That if the mobile games market you refer to is the casual games market that is there, then the PSP and DS don't have much to worry about.
- That the PSP is getting more sales and more game software developer support in the last years, so support is increasing, not diminishing
- That the PSP has been hardly lackluster at this point- it's the most successful handheld console after the DS in the DS/PSP generation
    
    There is ample evidence of this from review sites, the "first class" citizen console treatment the PSP gets, the amount of games and so on.  Where do you get that the PSP is not doing well, doesn't have support or such I don't know.
   
    Please understand this last point does not equal, in any shape or form to "iPod/iPhone will be held back by the PSP".  Completely independent non related points here and I am certainly not saying the one I just quoted, but I await if you think I did, where did I say so.

And I also did mention- that yes, I thin the iPhone/iPod platform is an interesting strategy for games as Apple is playing it, and that I see potential there for sure (and somehow you ignored I said this).

- Ricardo (raist)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that I could not post exactly the reply I wanted, I am trying to be more concise, use less formatting so the website accepts the post.</p>
<p>I ask readers when they read this, to think in the context of Daniel&#8217;s last reply to me and the article.</p>
<p>Key points- </p>
<p>- If you use the ARM cpu familiarity as an argument, then *you can&#8217;t slam the PSP for having a MIPS processor* because it would also benefit from that as tons of game developers are familiar with MIPS due to ps2/ps1/N64<br />
- And yes I said that in the end this point is irrelevant, but I am pointing out that you don&#8217;t follow the necessary conclusion on the PSP side using your logic, and you can&#8217;t have that both ways<br />
- That the specs of the PSP you posted are incomplete and also factually wrong.<br />
- That the iPhone having better or comparable hardware for games is into question<br />
- Moreover after finding triangle rates and polygon fillrate I would now dare say the PSP is actually BETTER for many types of games than the iPhone *if* we are going to use hardware superiority as a metric (this is a new point)<br />
The triangle rate on the best case for better PowerVR MBX, is 4.45 times the powerVR and 1.10 times in fillrate (and this is a best case).</p>
<p>- That in the end hardware superiority does not equate platform degree of success, at least directly, as Nintendo has shown (but I did discuss hardware superiority as you brought it up in the article)<br />
- That if the mobile games market you refer to is the casual games market that is there, then the PSP and DS don&#8217;t have much to worry about.<br />
- That the PSP is getting more sales and more game software developer support in the last years, so support is increasing, not diminishing<br />
- That the PSP has been hardly lackluster at this point- it&#8217;s the most successful handheld console after the DS in the DS/PSP generation</p>
<p>    There is ample evidence of this from review sites, the &#8220;first class&#8221; citizen console treatment the PSP gets, the amount of games and so on.  Where do you get that the PSP is not doing well, doesn&#8217;t have support or such I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>    Please understand this last point does not equal, in any shape or form to &#8220;iPod/iPhone will be held back by the PSP&#8221;.  Completely independent non related points here and I am certainly not saying the one I just quoted, but I await if you think I did, where did I say so.</p>
<p>And I also did mention- that yes, I thin the iPhone/iPod platform is an interesting strategy for games as Apple is playing it, and that I see potential there for sure (and somehow you ignored I said this).</p>
<p>- Ricardo (raist)</p>
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		<title>By: raist3d</title>
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		<dc:creator>raist3d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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