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	<title>Comments on: Mike Elgan&#8217;s Moronic Tirade on the iPhone</title>
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		<title>By: harrywolf</title>
		<link>http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/01/26/mike-elgans-moronic-tirade-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-6096</link>
		<dc:creator>harrywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its very funny to compare the &#039;Surface&#039; to the iPhone.
Isn&#039;t the &#039;Surface&#039; now known as the &#039;BigAssTable&#039;?

A much more accurate description than &#039;surface&#039; - its almost appealing in a slapstick way - if it were discounted to $99 like the Zune, it would sell, well, like a &#039;BigAssTable&#039;!

Great graphic with Gates and Ballmer in the &#039;table.

Amazing when you think that people really put this Laurel and Hardy comedy object up as a useful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its very funny to compare the &#8216;Surface&#8217; to the iPhone.<br />
Isn&#8217;t the &#8216;Surface&#8217; now known as the &#8216;BigAssTable&#8217;?</p>
<p>A much more accurate description than &#8217;surface&#8217; &#8211; its almost appealing in a slapstick way &#8211; if it were discounted to $99 like the Zune, it would sell, well, like a &#8216;BigAssTable&#8217;!</p>
<p>Great graphic with Gates and Ballmer in the &#8216;table.</p>
<p>Amazing when you think that people really put this Laurel and Hardy comedy object up as a useful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@beanie
I think you need to keep in mind that Daniel is also a pundit, it&#039;s just that since he&#039;s a Mac pundit he tends to speak for us most of the time.

I don&#039;t always agree with what Daniel writes, but it&#039;s helpful to use to compare and contrast what other people are writing. The bottom line is to take in information from as many sources as available and draw your own conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@beanie<br />
I think you need to keep in mind that Daniel is also a pundit, it&#8217;s just that since he&#8217;s a Mac pundit he tends to speak for us most of the time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t always agree with what Daniel writes, but it&#8217;s helpful to use to compare and contrast what other people are writing. The bottom line is to take in information from as many sources as available and draw your own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: beanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>beanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan wrote:
&quot;As for more the Zune 80, if sales numbers had not been embarrassing, Microsoft would have reported them along with the Xbox figures (which themselves weren’t that flattering). &quot;

I suppose so.  It is like Apple not reporting Apple TV unit sales and combining revenue with iPhone.  Anyway, I told you how Zune 80 is currently doing in major retail stores.  Zune 80 is selling relatively well for the last month.  Don&#039;t know if it will continue.  Can&#039;t help if you think or hope it is still a failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan wrote:<br />
&#8220;As for more the Zune 80, if sales numbers had not been embarrassing, Microsoft would have reported them along with the Xbox figures (which themselves weren’t that flattering). &#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose so.  It is like Apple not reporting Apple TV unit sales and combining revenue with iPhone.  Anyway, I told you how Zune 80 is currently doing in major retail stores.  Zune 80 is selling relatively well for the last month.  Don&#8217;t know if it will continue.  Can&#8217;t help if you think or hope it is still a failure.</p>
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		<title>By: surferfromuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>surferfromuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing remotely associated with Microsoft suprises me. I don&#039;t even know why they get credit for anything since everything they do is a badly imitated copy of someone else&#039;s groundbreaking work. 
History has demonstrated them to be a ruthless and wholly unethical company who, luckily for them, have had zero competition since 1985/6 when CEO Sculley kicked Steve Jobs out of his own company and then gave Microsoft use of &#039;crown jewels&#039;. 
Furthermore, it&#039;ll get worse in the next two to three years as the mobster who runs Microsoft becomes increasingly desperate to maintain it&#039;s self-imposed status-quo. Since they are unable to compete with Apple at any level when it comes to innovation or excellence they will truly start flashing their cash soon.
How low they are capable of sinking is anybody&#039;s guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing remotely associated with Microsoft suprises me. I don&#8217;t even know why they get credit for anything since everything they do is a badly imitated copy of someone else&#8217;s groundbreaking work.<br />
History has demonstrated them to be a ruthless and wholly unethical company who, luckily for them, have had zero competition since 1985/6 when CEO Sculley kicked Steve Jobs out of his own company and then gave Microsoft use of &#8216;crown jewels&#8217;.<br />
Furthermore, it&#8217;ll get worse in the next two to three years as the mobster who runs Microsoft becomes increasingly desperate to maintain it&#8217;s self-imposed status-quo. Since they are unable to compete with Apple at any level when it comes to innovation or excellence they will truly start flashing their cash soon.<br />
How low they are capable of sinking is anybody&#8217;s guess.</p>
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		<title>By: hylas</title>
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		<dc:creator>hylas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,
You&#039;ve become the Keith Olbermann of IT.
:-)
Nicely done.

Think - outrage overload, I think people have become numb to thinking for themselves and basically turn off reasoning, or any critical thinking.

This is your brain. This is your brain on Infomania.

http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue12_8/zeldes/index.html

Attention Deficit Trait (ADT), learned by rote.
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), congenital.

The section entitled:

Technological Reality   -   Cultural Paradigm

... is case in point for the ever encroaching trend of the sloughing off of reason and common sense, not HAVING the time to consider, much less do more than react. The intellectual equivalent of &quot;fight or flight&quot;, essentially hammering you to a malleable stupor.


Anyway, I enjoy your writing, the research must be quite time consuming - and I appreciate your attempts at having balanced opinions, you&#039;ve been correct a lot of the time.
It can&#039;t be said you haven&#039;t done the homework.

YES, I&#039;m new here.
;-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,<br />
You&#8217;ve become the Keith Olbermann of IT.<br />
:-)<br />
Nicely done.</p>
<p>Think &#8211; outrage overload, I think people have become numb to thinking for themselves and basically turn off reasoning, or any critical thinking.</p>
<p>This is your brain. This is your brain on Infomania.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue12_8/zeldes/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue12_8/zeldes/index.html</a></p>
<p>Attention Deficit Trait (ADT), learned by rote.<br />
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), congenital.</p>
<p>The section entitled:</p>
<p>Technological Reality   &#8211;   Cultural Paradigm</p>
<p>&#8230; is case in point for the ever encroaching trend of the sloughing off of reason and common sense, not HAVING the time to consider, much less do more than react. The intellectual equivalent of &#8220;fight or flight&#8221;, essentially hammering you to a malleable stupor.</p>
<p>Anyway, I enjoy your writing, the research must be quite time consuming &#8211; and I appreciate your attempts at having balanced opinions, you&#8217;ve been correct a lot of the time.<br />
It can&#8217;t be said you haven&#8217;t done the homework.</p>
<p>YES, I&#8217;m new here.<br />
;-)</p>
<p>hylas</p>
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		<title>By: beanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>beanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Eran Dilger wrote:
&quot;Microsoft was only able to begin selling off lingering inventory after dropping Zune prices into the toilet.&quot;

Why do you keep repeating that exaggeration?  The so called firesale for $80-$99 30GB Zunes was to start the holiday season, for one day and in limited numbers.  It might have been also to clear existing ones with old firmware to replace them with 30GB Zunes with updated firmware.

So how is Zune really doing in the marketplace. Surprisingly, the best selling Zune model is the Zune 80GB, not the small 4GB flash models.  At Walmart Zune 80 is currently #2 selling mp3 player.  At BestBuy it is #6.  At CircuitCity it is #4.  At Amazon it is #21 because it is out of stock this week, but has been consistently been in top 10 since its release.

[Sorry, but it wasn&#039;t a one day sale, it went on for months. I get affiliate links from advertisers who were pushing the fire sales, and it was very widespread, involving lots of merchants. Even as early as June 07, BestBuy, Amazon, CircuitCity, Staples, and Wal-Mart were selling it off for $199 or less. Woot held many one-day sales in August and September. 

As for more the Zune 80, if sales numbers had not been embarrassing, Microsoft would have reported them along with the Xbox figures (which themselves weren&#039;t that flattering). According to NPD, this year &quot;the portable media market declined on average by 16 percent compared to the same period a year earlier [2006]. The lone exception is the iPod line.&quot; In other words, Apple grew while the Zune and other models did worse than last year. 

A key reason for tanking Zune sales was its competition with fire sale prices of last year&#039;s model, as I predicted would happen. I&#039;m not sure &quot;predicted&quot; is the right word; I don&#039;t predict the rising of the sun every day. - Dan]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Eran Dilger wrote:<br />
&#8220;Microsoft was only able to begin selling off lingering inventory after dropping Zune prices into the toilet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do you keep repeating that exaggeration?  The so called firesale for $80-$99 30GB Zunes was to start the holiday season, for one day and in limited numbers.  It might have been also to clear existing ones with old firmware to replace them with 30GB Zunes with updated firmware.</p>
<p>So how is Zune really doing in the marketplace. Surprisingly, the best selling Zune model is the Zune 80GB, not the small 4GB flash models.  At Walmart Zune 80 is currently #2 selling mp3 player.  At BestBuy it is #6.  At CircuitCity it is #4.  At Amazon it is #21 because it is out of stock this week, but has been consistently been in top 10 since its release.</p>
<p>[Sorry, but it wasn't a one day sale, it went on for months. I get affiliate links from advertisers who were pushing the fire sales, and it was very widespread, involving lots of merchants. Even as early as June 07, BestBuy, Amazon, CircuitCity, Staples, and Wal-Mart were selling it off for $199 or less. Woot held many one-day sales in August and September. </p>
<p>As for more the Zune 80, if sales numbers had not been embarrassing, Microsoft would have reported them along with the Xbox figures (which themselves weren't that flattering). According to NPD, this year "the portable media market declined on average by 16 percent compared to the same period a year earlier [2006]. The lone exception is the iPod line.&#8221; In other words, Apple grew while the Zune and other models did worse than last year. </p>
<p>A key reason for tanking Zune sales was its competition with fire sale prices of last year&#8217;s model, as I predicted would happen. I&#8217;m not sure &#8220;predicted&#8221; is the right word; I don&#8217;t predict the rising of the sun every day. &#8211; Dan]</p>
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		<title>By: lmasanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>lmasanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>January 25, 2008, 5:22 pm
Apple: More On The Missing iPhones
Posted by Eric Savitz
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2008/01/25/apple-more-on-the-missing-iphones/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>January 25, 2008, 5:22 pm<br />
Apple: More On The Missing iPhones<br />
Posted by Eric Savitz<br />
<a href="http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2008/01/25/apple-more-on-the-missing-iphones/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2008/01/25/apple-more-on-the-missing-iphones/</a></p>
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		<title>By: johnnyapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnyapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“most analysts were expecting a number more like 5 million.” Hmmm, nope. I don&#039;t recall seeing that number anywhere. My initial guess was 2.5 million, posted on 12/3 and revised down to 2.3 million on 12/27. I don&#039;t claim to have access to anywhere near the amount of data the pros have and admit that my own guesses are influenced by what they write. My point is, I follow the numbers and analysts very closely and don&#039;t remember any of them saying anything about 5 million. Elgan is full of crap. Perhaps he should keep a link handy of my quarterly guesses. I&#039;m better at it than he is and outdo Scott Moritz&#039;s whisper sources every time.

My sources: Gene Munster, Shaw Wu, 10 years worth of previous sales data that I use to predict trends, some access to component costs. I didn&#039;t grab opinions from a rather silly thread at macobserver. Walt Mossberg did in his blog. Oops, Walt, seriously?

If I seem smug, sorry, really. I&#039;ve lucked out the past few quarters and that&#039;s fun for me. Stick with the pros if you&#039;ve got real money on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“most analysts were expecting a number more like 5 million.” Hmmm, nope. I don&#8217;t recall seeing that number anywhere. My initial guess was 2.5 million, posted on 12/3 and revised down to 2.3 million on 12/27. I don&#8217;t claim to have access to anywhere near the amount of data the pros have and admit that my own guesses are influenced by what they write. My point is, I follow the numbers and analysts very closely and don&#8217;t remember any of them saying anything about 5 million. Elgan is full of crap. Perhaps he should keep a link handy of my quarterly guesses. I&#8217;m better at it than he is and outdo Scott Moritz&#8217;s whisper sources every time.</p>
<p>My sources: Gene Munster, Shaw Wu, 10 years worth of previous sales data that I use to predict trends, some access to component costs. I didn&#8217;t grab opinions from a rather silly thread at macobserver. Walt Mossberg did in his blog. Oops, Walt, seriously?</p>
<p>If I seem smug, sorry, really. I&#8217;ve lucked out the past few quarters and that&#8217;s fun for me. Stick with the pros if you&#8217;ve got real money on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One article after the next after the next!  I know it&#039;s not always possible to churn out story after story, but when the flood gates do open it&#039;s rather impressive.  Thanks for turning the lights on a number of non-issues made up by the usual suspects.  These roaches are so big, they&#039;re too slow to skitter into the disappearing shadows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One article after the next after the next!  I know it&#8217;s not always possible to churn out story after story, but when the flood gates do open it&#8217;s rather impressive.  Thanks for turning the lights on a number of non-issues made up by the usual suspects.  These roaches are so big, they&#8217;re too slow to skitter into the disappearing shadows.</p>
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		<title>By: PerGrenerfors</title>
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		<dc:creator>PerGrenerfors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen this guy: http://jerryleecooper.com/

What&#039;s funny about this guy is that some &quot;columnists&quot; aren&#039;t that far away from him in terms of intellectual strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen this guy: <a href="http://jerryleecooper.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jerryleecooper.com/</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s funny about this guy is that some &#8220;columnists&#8221; aren&#8217;t that far away from him in terms of intellectual strength.</p>
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